[PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
greg mccourt
greg.mccourt@EF.com
Sat Feb 18 12:33:00 2006
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I recommend that the CCRMA instillation doesn't mess with the desktop =
(gnome/kde/etc). If a user wants to add an application to their desktop =
---in whatever desktop they use---they should be able to do this =
themselves. If they can't, they haven't even managed the basic abilities =
to use their GUI of choice.
I use X, but am still a CLI user at heart. I delete almost all of the =
menus and icons etc. that FC installs right away. I create my own that =
reflect how I want to use X. This changes depending on what I'm working =
on. I used to think this was the linux spirit (still do, really). In =
your favorite WM and desktop, one of the first things you need to learn =
to do is customize it---it's not difficult and can be a lot of fun =
personalizing. You don't need every program installed on your machine on =
your desktop (damn, what would that look like?). If you want real power =
and freedom from clicking through menus, learn a little bit of CLI.
I don't think any of Planet should be automatically installed as part of =
your desktop. I don't think Fernando should waste his precious time =
resolving such issues. People should spend five-ten minutes learning how =
to add and remove items on their desktop---how is anyone going to deal =
with audio/video programs and applications if they can't even do this =
very basic general user task?
I must admit that I use CLI as much as I possible, but I do run X and =
use it for SND and a couple other programs that I want graphic feedback =
from. I have a very minimal desktop. I like it. I dislike busy desktops, =
but it only took me about five-ten minutes to learn what I needed to do =
to add and remove things from my desktop.
-----Original Message-----
From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Fernando =
Lopez-Lezcano
Sent: Sat 2/18/2006 1:56 AM
To: David Slimp
Cc: Bal Dobe; planetccrma@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
=20
On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 03:27 -0600, David Slimp wrote:
> Hmm... JUST installing the audioapps (as opposed to audio/video) =
should not
> cause any problems, of course... I just wanna make sure I know what =
you might
> and might not have going on over there.
>=20
> getting a Kernel Panic from init 6 is a very bad sign.
> I have no idea what that could be from...=20
Sorry you guys are having so many problems.... :-(
A kernel panic indicates that something strange happened inside the
kernel. The kernel detects that (somehow) and decides that the safest
thing to do is to do absolutely nothing, and then it stops and prints
the error message.=20
There could be a ram problem as you suggest, but most likely there is
some bug in the kernel which manifests itself only with the combination
of hardware that you have. The realtime kernels which incorporate Ingo
Molnar's patches see a lot less testing than the "stock" kernels and
have a much faster evolution, and so they are less stable (but, of
course, have better low latency performance when they work......)
Not much that can be done if it is repeatable (a non repeatable problem
may point to bad ram) other than fix the bug - beyond what I can do,
regretfully.=20
-- Fernando
> do you possibly
> have bad RAM? Perhaps a copy of your history will reveal
> something? I know the errors during the ccrma install
> were not normal.... could be causing these other issues.
> I'm on the verge of saying "wipe it" again... making sure
> to NOT select selinux, and starting off with a smaller
> package set, and also starting off with the internal card
> disabled.... just to make sure those things didn't mess
> something up.
>=20
> Before you installed, there is an option to "check media".
> Did you check each disk first? -- maybe some package(s)
> are corrupt?
>=20
>=20
> I think I would stay away from KDE until we get it running
> just to be safe.... I think KDE likes to start the aRts sound
> server, and I'm not sure it plays nice with jack/alsa, but
> I'm not an expert on that (or really anything.. heh)
>=20
>=20
> I guess right now (unless your history shows you typed
> something bad), I'm most worried that you have bad RAM
> or possibly a corrupt package on the install CDs.
>=20
> It's okay to "start" the install... do the check on the media,
> and then reboot.... it won't actually overwrite anything at
> that point. Might be worth the effort to check.
>=20
> David
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 2/17/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > "Also, my instructions said to run this:
> >
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps
> >
> > Did you do something differently?"
> >
> > Yes, I did,
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audioapps
> >
> > as stated in the instructions on the planet ccrma site. I only =
really
> > want the audio apps.
> >
> > The reason I type in is because I am reading your emails on my =
laptop
> > in outlook whilst installing FC4 on another machine. Not to worry I =
just
> > have to be extra carefull!.
> >
> > "Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say what you =
were
> > typing/clicking that didn't work."
> >
> > I logout from KDE by going to the KDE menu icon and Logout>End =
current
> > Session
> >
> > Then I goto Shutdown on the login menu.
> >
> > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): init 6
> >
> > From CLI as root I have tried
> > init 6
> >
> > and I get
> >
> > <0> Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
> >
> > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.
> > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that
> > mean you've already been doing some playing around and
> > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?
> >
> > Yes, a little. I did
> >
> > Ctl alt f1
> > Login
> >
> > Switchdesk KDE
> >
> > Logout
> > Ctl alt f7
> >
> > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user and =
root),
> > and paste all the output here in email....
> >
> > I will do that in my next email and attach them as txt files.
> >
> > Bal
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Slimp [mailto:rock808@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:13 AM
> > To: Bal Dobe
> > Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.stanford.edu
> > Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
> >
> > First... Kelly... thanks for your input/confirmation on the intel8x0 =
and
> > 1010LT not working together.
> >
> > Next, Bal...
> > I saw you were getting several strange "not going to be installed"
> > messages
> > in one of your previous emails. That bothers me... those apps =
SHOULD
> > have been installed just fine.... but then I saw you do 'apt-get if
> > install'
> > and 'apt-get dis-upgrade' after that, and everything seemed to be
> > there?!
> > You did not copy the command you used to get that started in to
> > your email, so I'm not sure WHAT you might have done there.
> > Also, my instructions said to run this:
> >
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps
> >
> > Did you do something differently?
> >
> > I then noticed there was a type when you were downloading =
PC51f.sf2.gz
> > so that makes me think you are typing these commands by hand rather
> > than copy/paste what I've written? -- I'd suggest copy/paste to be =
extra
> > sure no typos are made :)
> >
> > Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say what you were
> > typing/clicking that didn't work.
> > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): init 6
> >
> >
> > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.
> > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that
> > mean you've already been doing some playing around and
> > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?
> >
> > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user and =
root),
> > and paste all the output here in email.... make sure none of it =
gives
> > away anything that could compromise your system, but if you've
> > run a command or two (maybe typo) that could have done something
> > bad, it would be good to know. :)
> >
> > david
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/16/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > Ok now that I have installed all the ccrma audio apps I have two
> > > problems:
> > >
> > > 1 I can not see any of the audio apps in the KDE menu system. When =
I
> > > installed ccrma on FC3 I had a whole load of apps in the sound & =
video
> > > section. This happens in both FC4 and FC4 ccrma.
> > >
> > > 2) I can not shut the machine down. I get an error in a CLI screen
> > which
> > > says [<c0103a51>] syscall_call +0x7/0xb
> > >
> > > So what do I do I do next?
> > >
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I recommend that the CCRMA instillation doesn't mess =
with the desktop (gnome/kde/etc). If a user wants to add an application =
to their desktop ---in whatever desktop they use---they should be able =
to do this themselves. If they can't, they haven't even managed the =
basic abilities to use their GUI of choice.<BR>
<BR>
I use X, but am still a CLI user at heart. I delete almost all of the =
menus and icons etc. that FC installs right away. I create my own that =
reflect how I want to use X. This changes depending on what I'm working =
on. I used to think this was the linux spirit (still do, really). In =
your favorite WM and desktop, one of the first things you need to learn =
to do is customize it---it's not difficult and can be a lot of fun =
personalizing. You don't need every program installed on your machine on =
your desktop (damn, what would that look like?). If you want real power =
and freedom from clicking through menus, learn a little bit of CLI.<BR>
<BR>
I don't think any of Planet should be automatically installed as part of =
your desktop. I don't think Fernando should waste his precious time =
resolving such issues. People should spend five-ten minutes learning how =
to add and remove items on their desktop---how is anyone going to deal =
with audio/video programs and applications if they can't even do this =
very basic general user task?<BR>
<BR>
I must admit that I use CLI as much as I possible, but I do run X and =
use it for SND and a couple other programs that I want graphic feedback =
from. I have a very minimal desktop. I like it. I dislike busy desktops, =
but it only took me about five-ten minutes to learn what I needed to do =
to add and remove things from my desktop.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Fernando =
Lopez-Lezcano<BR>
Sent: Sat 2/18/2006 1:56 AM<BR>
To: David Slimp<BR>
Cc: Bal Dobe; planetccrma@ccrma.Stanford.EDU<BR>
Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !<BR>
<BR>
On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 03:27 -0600, David Slimp wrote:<BR>
> Hmm... JUST installing the audioapps (as opposed to audio/video) =
should not<BR>
> cause any problems, of course... I just wanna make sure I know what =
you might<BR>
> and might not have going on over there.<BR>
><BR>
> getting a Kernel Panic from init 6 is a very bad sign.<BR>
> I have no idea what that could be from...<BR>
<BR>
Sorry you guys are having so many problems.... :-(<BR>
<BR>
A kernel panic indicates that something strange happened inside the<BR>
kernel. The kernel detects that (somehow) and decides that the =
safest<BR>
thing to do is to do absolutely nothing, and then it stops and =
prints<BR>
the error message.<BR>
<BR>
There could be a ram problem as you suggest, but most likely there =
is<BR>
some bug in the kernel which manifests itself only with the =
combination<BR>
of hardware that you have. The realtime kernels which incorporate =
Ingo<BR>
Molnar's patches see a lot less testing than the "stock" =
kernels and<BR>
have a much faster evolution, and so they are less stable (but, of<BR>
course, have better low latency performance when they work......)<BR>
<BR>
Not much that can be done if it is repeatable (a non repeatable =
problem<BR>
may point to bad ram) other than fix the bug - beyond what I can do,<BR>
regretfully.<BR>
<BR>
-- Fernando<BR>
<BR>
> do you possibly<BR>
> have bad RAM? Perhaps a copy of your history will reveal<BR>
> something? I know the errors during the ccrma install<BR>
> were not normal.... could be causing these other issues.<BR>
> I'm on the verge of saying "wipe it" again... making =
sure<BR>
> to NOT select selinux, and starting off with a smaller<BR>
> package set, and also starting off with the internal card<BR>
> disabled.... just to make sure those things didn't mess<BR>
> something up.<BR>
><BR>
> Before you installed, there is an option to "check =
media".<BR>
> Did you check each disk first? -- maybe some package(s)<BR>
> are corrupt?<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> I think I would stay away from KDE until we get it running<BR>
> just to be safe.... I think KDE likes to start the aRts sound<BR>
> server, and I'm not sure it plays nice with jack/alsa, but<BR>
> I'm not an expert on that (or really anything.. heh)<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> I guess right now (unless your history shows you typed<BR>
> something bad), I'm most worried that you have bad RAM<BR>
> or possibly a corrupt package on the install CDs.<BR>
><BR>
> It's okay to "start" the install... do the check on the =
media,<BR>
> and then reboot.... it won't actually overwrite anything at<BR>
> that point. Might be worth the effort to check.<BR>
><BR>
> David<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> On 2/17/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:<BR>
> > David,<BR>
> ><BR>
> > "Also, my instructions said to run this:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Did you do something differently?"<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Yes, I did,<BR>
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audioapps<BR>
> ><BR>
> > as stated in the instructions on the planet ccrma site. =
I only really<BR>
> > want the audio apps.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > The reason I type in is because I am reading your emails =
on my laptop<BR>
> > in outlook whilst installing FC4 on another machine. Not to =
worry I just<BR>
> > have to be extra carefull!.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > "Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say =
what you were<BR>
> > typing/clicking that didn't work."<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I logout from KDE by going to the KDE menu icon and =
Logout>End current<BR>
> > Session<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Then I goto Shutdown on the login menu.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): =
init 6<BR>
> ><BR>
> > From CLI as root I have tried<BR>
> > init 6<BR>
> ><BR>
> > and I get<BR>
> ><BR>
> > <0> Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in =
interrupt<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.<BR>
> > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that<BR>
> > mean you've already been doing some playing around and<BR>
> > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Yes, a little. I did<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Ctl alt f1<BR>
> > Login<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Switchdesk KDE<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Logout<BR>
> > Ctl alt f7<BR>
> ><BR>
> > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user =
and root),<BR>
> > and paste all the output here in email....<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I will do that in my next email and attach them as txt =
files.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Bal<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > -----Original Message-----<BR>
> > From: David Slimp [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:rock808@gmail.com">mailto:rock808@gmail.com</A>]<BR>
> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:13 AM<BR>
> > To: Bal Dobe<BR>
> > Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.stanford.edu<BR>
> > Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours =
!<BR>
> ><BR>
> > First... Kelly... thanks for your input/confirmation on the =
intel8x0 and<BR>
> > 1010LT not working together.<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Next, Bal...<BR>
> > I saw you were getting several strange "not going to be =
installed"<BR>
> > messages<BR>
> > in one of your previous emails. That bothers me... those =
apps SHOULD<BR>
> > have been installed just fine.... but then I saw you do =
'apt-get if<BR>
> > install'<BR>
> > and 'apt-get dis-upgrade' after that, and everything seemed to =
be<BR>
> > there?!<BR>
> > You did not copy the command you used to get that started in =
to<BR>
> > your email, so I'm not sure WHAT you might have done =
there.<BR>
> > Also, my instructions said to run this:<BR>
> ><BR>
> > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Did you do something differently?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > I then noticed there was a type when you were downloading =
PC51f.sf2.gz<BR>
> > so that makes me think you are typing these commands by hand =
rather<BR>
> > than copy/paste what I've written? -- I'd suggest copy/paste =
to be extra<BR>
> > sure no typos are made :)<BR>
> ><BR>
> > Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say what =
you were<BR>
> > typing/clicking that didn't work.<BR>
> > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): =
init 6<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.<BR>
> > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that<BR>
> > mean you've already been doing some playing around and<BR>
> > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?<BR>
> ><BR>
> > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user =
and root),<BR>
> > and paste all the output here in email.... make sure none of =
it gives<BR>
> > away anything that could compromise your system, but if =
you've<BR>
> > run a command or two (maybe typo) that could have done =
something<BR>
> > bad, it would be good to know. :)<BR>
> ><BR>
> > david<BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> > On 2/16/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:<BR>
> > > Ok now that I have installed all the ccrma audio apps I =
have two<BR>
> > > problems:<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > 1 I can not see any of the audio apps in the KDE menu =
system. When I<BR>
> > > installed ccrma on FC3 I had a whole load of apps in the =
sound & video<BR>
> > > section. This happens in both FC4 and FC4 =
ccrma.<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > 2) I can not shut the machine down. I get an error in a =
CLI screen<BR>
> > which<BR>
> > > says [<c0103a51>] syscall_call +0x7/0xb<BR>
> > ><BR>
> > > So what do I do I do next?<BR>
> > ><BR>
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