oh i almost forgot. if you do like clisp, then tobias kunze has nice shell script that starts cm under clisp for you. it will even download the sources from ccrma and build the image if you tell it too. http://www.fictive.com/~tkunze/tdb/index.html maybe once ive got the cvs sources installed at sorceforge someone with shell chops could make this script work for any lisp