[PlanetCCRMA] landing on the Fedora 18 planet

Fernando Lopez-Lezcano nando at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
Wed Jan 23 23:35:53 PST 2013

On 01/23/2013 10:20 PM, Brendan Jones wrote:
> On 01/23/2013 08:58 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>> On 01/23/2013 08:39 AM, Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
>>> I tried to install FC 18 from a DvD (the ISO image option) since
>>> my web connection is tricky.
>> Yes, the installer was puzzling to say the least. I managed to navigate
>> it but I was like "what?" I installed from the gnome dvd and after that
>> I added the MATE, XFce, Cinnamon and other more palatable desktops
>> through yum groupinstall. I guess that would not work for a not very
>> fast internet connection.
>> I would give some time to the new installer. It is new and different and
>> we all hate different at first (I think). It does not make any sense to
>> me now, but what do I know?
>> I don't have much hope, though. I gave time to gnome3, a lot of time,
>> and it still feels LESS productive to use than other "older and obsolete
>> paradigm" desktops. It does not seem to be getting any better or I'm too
>> old to learn new tricks. Progress. I imagine many users (including, I
>> hope, the developers) must be thrilled at their new found
>> "productivity", maybe because that is not important to them. It would
>> seem that what is important to them is, exclusively, the world of tablet
>> computing where users just "consume" stuff and point at things. I use
>> laptops and desktops and the paradigm does not fit (and if I had a
>> tablet it would not be running Fedora).
> I'm not happy with the installer either.

I don't see the point of turning an eminently linear process into a 
non-linear process.

You could order all the selections you have to make before the actual 
install can proceed in a dependency graph and realize that yes, it does 
not matter in which order you make some of them. So instead of choosing 
an arbitrary ordering (which is what pretty much the whole world 
does[*]) you make the formerly linear process non-linear and confusing 
to anyone used to a "normal" install process.

Which is fine IF there is a rational answer to the question: "what is 
_gained_ by doing that"???

I don't see an answer, and the time you save because (for example) "you 
can set the root password while the install is happening" does not 
justify IMO the pain most people will experience.

>For those wanting to upgrade
> their systems the new FedUp tool (they weren't thinking when they named
> this or were they?)

Oh, definitely somebody was NOT thinking. The brain should be turned on 
every once in a while, it does not hurt that much. When I first read the 
name I mentally chuckled, thinking to myself: the whole thing has to be 
_perfect_ for that name not to be "misused" in the near future... And 
here we are!

-- Fernando

PS: like naming a car "Nova", which is perfect unless you realize that 
in Spanish that means, roughly, "doesn't go" and a sizable portion of 
the market understands Spanish.

[*] and not because the rest of the world is stupid but because it works 
fine! Next I know somebody from the same design school will start 
building a car with square wheels! Actually not building _a_ car to test 
(Mythbusters did that) but releasing a _production_ car with square 
wheels for the world to admire!

>or upgrading using yum is trouble free.
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum

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