[PlanetCCRMA] drop outs with FC8 and latest CCRMA kernel

Hector Centeno hcengar at gmail.com
Fri Jan 4 07:13:00 2008

Hi again,

On Jan 3, 2008 9:04 PM, Lamar Owen <lowen@pari.edu> wrote:
> On Thursday 03 January 2008, bH wrote:
> >  Lamar Owen wrote:
> The point is, once built for Ubuntu 7.10, it has to be rebuilt for 8.04, then
> 8.10 (or whatever), and so on; you don't gain anything going to Ubuntu, as it
> is just as fast moving as Fedora is in terms of support; the repo would still
> have to be rebuilt every six months, as packages for 7.04 may or may not work
> for 7.10 (and packages for 6.06 will definitely not work for 7.10 or the
> upcoming 8.04).

I think I disagree about this. You would gain a lot going to Ubuntu
instead of Fedora. It is true that Ubuntu gets upgraded every 6 months
(as Fedora does) but in Ubuntu you have the hard work of many people
trying to make Linux usable and friendly and at the same time to keep
it up to date, while in Fedora you get a bunch of experimental and
broken things thrown to the users for beta testing. For instance,
something like having and ATI graphics card working, with full 3D
rendering, under Fedora 8 is almost impossible, while in Ubuntu works
out of the box, or if you want to install the Nvidia drivers in Ubuntu
you just get them from the repository or better yet, just click on the
proprietary drivers icon that pops up at the panel bar when it detects
your Nvidia hardware. I know I could just download the sources and
compile myself... but well, it saves time to have things planed ahead
by someone who cares about usability.

Regarding the upgrading issue, I do mind having the latest version of
Gnome, for example, as it usually means less bugs and better
usability. As I said before, I think Linux-Audio and
Linux-as-a-desktop is quite young and in development, you can't really
get stuck with a buggy and underdeveloped application for too long as
you might be missing a stabler and more usable system.

Just my thoughts.



> But all of that is moot; PlanetCCRMA is currently an RPM repository, and the
> effort required for changing to be a Debian repository is significant;
> probably a lot harder than keeping up with Fedora (this is something I know a
> little bit about; I packaged PostgreSQL RPM's for Red Hat Linux and Fedora
> from 1999 up through 2004; I investigated Debian packaging, and it is very
> very different from RPM packaging.  Now, nando is a very bright fellow; I
> have no doubts he is capable to doing that.  The bigger question is whether
> he wants to do so.

> Further, there are already Debian packagers for some of this; you should
> really talk to them about updating their versions, rather than muddy the
> currently well-unified repository waters for Ubuntu.  That is really the
> major advantage over Fedora that Ubuntu has; Fedora's repositories have
> historically been somewhat fractured.
> However, there is work ongoing to merge PlanetCCRMA RPM's into Fedora itself,
> which would lessen nando's work load.  This I'm sure he looks forward to!
> Now, the latency could be due to other things set up in the PlanetCCRMA kernel
> and other libs versus the Ubuntu linux-rt kernel; don't know.  It would be
> interesting to see what the .config for the Ubuntu rt kernel looks like
> versus the PlanetCCRMA one.
> I myself am having issues with the F8 PlanetCCRMA rt kernel; I'm running F7 on
> my main DAW desktop for now, but will be upgrading probably next week, as
> things are stable enough at this point for my uses.  I'll probably forgo the
> rt kernel for now, as my uses currently don't require the low latency.
> I for one am thrilled with what nando has been doing for the last several
> years; many thanks, nando!
> --
> Lamar Owen
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