[PlanetCCRMA] Planet on Fedora 8 -- basic questions
Chuck Cooper
plangent2 at comcast.net
Mon Dec 3 17:13:01 2007
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Thanks, Nicholas, for all your great answers. I'm a little concerned if Fedora 8 is LESS stable than Fedora 7 with Planet CCRMA, but as long as the initial setup goes OK I'll be happy. I suppose 8 is where future improvements and goodness will be...
Now I realize I'll have to download and burn my own DVDs anyhow for Planet even if I get Fedora 8 on a DVD, and that's fine. My Internet connections are fast enuff. I'm just lazy.
I wonder if others have advice about soundcards (including outboard USB)? I'm glad to hear that the Delta 44 will still be good. I got mine in 2000 and I'm surprised it's still sold. Is something Firewire-based a good choice if I want to also run on a laptop (probably Wintel, maybe a Mac)? Or would that compromise the latency?
I'm getting Partition Magic and will then let the Fedora install do GRUB as you said. Is there any Planet preference or requirement about which type of Linux file system to use?
Thanks for all your help.
Chuck Cooper
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From: "Nicholas Manojlovic" <nicholasmanojlovic@gmail.com>
Hi Chuck, your questions seem reasonable. I'll have a stab.
1. Fedora 8 is fine for someone new. In my experience using it with the CCRMA packages it hasn't been as stable as Fedora 7, but I have been making some noise with it and it is going okay. CCRMA is indeed available for Fedora 8.
2. The DVD you have bought will be fine for installing Fedora, however you will still need access to the Internet - updates come thick and fast and CCRMA is only available to download at this point. IMO the best approach is to download and burn your own copy - but each to their own.
3. Short answer, Yes. What will happen to install Fedora with CCRMA is this:
Install Fedora 8 -> install the Planet ccrma repository -> download/install the ccrma packages -> reboot into a low latency kernel. You can of course reboot into any other kernel installed on your machine, however for best use you'll need the low latency kernel (which comes from ccrma).
4. I also have a Delta 44 - it sounds quite good and it works flawlessly. I have set my machine to play mp3s, movies etc with my in built Intel card, and use my Delta for recording work. Easy to achieve. My most productive results are all under 5ms latency, although this can be pushed. IMO, anything under 5ms feels 'real'.
5. I can't remember how to partition when you already have XP installed (you may be able to resize an NTFS partition with the Fedora installer?), however for practical reasons - it is best to have XP installed first so Fedora can set up GRUB for you.
Not sure how helpful this has been, happy to elaborate on anything I haven't made clear.
Cheers
On Dec 4, 2007 11:01 AM, Chuck Cooper < plangent2@comcast.net> wrote:
I got freshly turned on to Planet CCRMA talking with Julius Smith at a conference, and now I'm starting to set it up on two different machines, one of them brand-new with only XP installed. My questions are pretty basic but perhaps timely since I gather Fedora 8 is pretty new. I haven't used Linux in several years and was never fluent...
1) Is Fedora 8 the best/easiest way to go for a newbie? Both machines currently have Windows XP and I'll re-partition the drive(s). The Planet web pages mention older versions of Fedora but then say Fedora 8.
2) I would prefer to just buy Fedora 8 in a nice package with a DVD instead of downloading, making an ISO image, updating, etc., but I gather you can't... But I ordered a "re-spin" DVD (I think) of Fedora 8 from DiscountLinuxDVD.com for a tiny price. Is this a good approach? Was this re-spin really only released a coupla weeks ago?
3) Is it OK to skip loading the low-latency kernel for my initial activities, then try it later? Even a 15 ms latency would be fine for now and I won't have anything else (intentionally) running on the machine. I'm a little afraid of screwing things up.
4) What's a good sound card to buy these days? I still have an M-Audio Delta 4x4 recommended by CCRMA many years ago, and it worked fine with Linux then in the earliest days of Alsa. Is this still a good thing to buy for a 2nd machine? I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks, but don't need lots of IO channels or super-low noise. I do need low latency. Also, is an external USB audio interface like the M-Audio Mobile-Pre reasonably low-latency with Planet/Alsa? I already have two of those.
5) Finally, and sorry for all these basic questions: I gather Linux mavens would use GRUB to do the multiple-boot setup (I want to have both XP and Fedora), but I was thinking that for an old-guy Linux newbie like me that Partition Magic (now from Symantec) might be easier/safer. Advice? Or would I use Partition Magic first in XP (to set up a partition for Linux) and then GRUB jumps in as part of the Fedora install?
Thanks for your help. I'm excited about landing on Planet CCRMA.
Chuck Cooper
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<DIV>Thanks, Nicholas, for all your great answers. I'm a little concerned if Fedora 8 is LESS stable than Fedora 7 with Planet CCRMA, but as long as the initial setup goes OK I'll be happy. I suppose 8 is where future improvements and goodness will be...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now I realize I'll have to download and burn my own DVDs anyhow for Planet even if I get Fedora 8 on a DVD, and that's fine. My Internet connections are fast enuff. I'm just lazy.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wonder if others have advice about soundcards (including outboard USB)? I'm glad to hear that the Delta 44 will still be good. I got mine in 2000 and I'm surprised it's still sold. Is something Firewire-based a good choice if I want to also run on a laptop (probably Wintel, maybe a Mac)? Or would that compromise the latency?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm getting Partition Magic and will then let the Fedora install do GRUB as you said. Is there any Planet preference or requirement about which type of Linux file system to use?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for all your help.</DIV>
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<DIV>Chuck Cooper</DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Nicholas Manojlovic" <nicholasmanojlovic@gmail.com> <BR>Hi Chuck, your questions seem reasonable. I'll have a stab.<BR><BR>1. Fedora 8 is fine for someone new. In my experience using it with the CCRMA packages it hasn't been as stable as Fedora 7, but I have been making some noise with it and it is going okay. CCRMA is indeed available for Fedora 8. <BR><BR>2. The DVD you have bought will be fine for installing Fedora, however you will still need access to the Internet - updates come thick and fast and CCRMA is only available to download at this point. IMO the best approach is to download and burn your own copy - but each to their own. <BR><BR>3. Short answer, Yes. What will happen to install Fedora with CCRMA is this:<BR>Install Fedora 8 -> install the Planet ccrma repository -> download/install the ccrma packages -> reboo
t into a low latency kernel. You can of course reboot into any other kernel installed on your machine, however for best use you'll need the low latency kernel (which comes from ccrma). <BR><BR>4. I also have a Delta 44 - it sounds quite good and it works flawlessly. I have set my machine to play mp3s, movies etc with my in built Intel card, and use my Delta for recording work. Easy to achieve. My most productive results are all under 5ms latency, although this can be pushed. IMO, anything under 5ms feels 'real'. <BR><BR>5. I can't remember how to partition when you already have XP installed (you may be able to resize an NTFS partition with the Fedora installer?), however for practical reasons - it is best to have XP installed first so Fedora can set up GRUB for you. <BR><BR>Not sure how helpful this has been, happy to elaborate on anything I haven't made clear.<BR><BR>Cheers<BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Dec 4, 2007 11:01 AM, Chuck Cooper <<A href="mailto:plangent2@comcast.net"> plangent2@comcast.net</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>I got freshly turned on to Planet CCRMA talking with Julius Smith at a conference, and now I'm starting to set it up on two different machines, one of them brand-new with only XP installed. My questions are pretty basic but perhaps timely since I gather Fedora 8 is pretty new. I haven't used Linux in several years and was never fluent... </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1) Is Fedora 8 the best/easiest way to go for a newbie? Both machines currently have Windows XP and I'll re-partition the drive(s). The Planet web pages mention older versions of Fedora but then say Fedora 8.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>2) I would prefer to just buy Fedora 8 in a nice package with a DVD instead of downloading, making an ISO image, updating, etc., but I gather you can't... But I ordered a "re-spin" DVD (I think) of Fedora 8 from DiscountLinuxDVD.com for a tiny price. Is this a good approach? Was this re-spin really only released a coupla weeks ago?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>3) Is it OK to skip loading the low-latency kernel for my initial activities, then try it later? Even a 15 ms latency would be fine for now and I won't have anything else (intentionally) running on the machine. I'm a little afraid of screwing things up. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>4) What's a good sound card to buy these days? I still have an M-Audio Delta 4x4 recommended by CCRMA many years ago, and it worked fine with Linux then in the earliest days of Alsa. Is this still a good thing to buy for a 2nd machine? I don't mind spending a few hundred bucks, but don't need lots of IO channels or super-low noise. I do need low latency. Also, is an external USB audio interface like the M-Audio Mobile-Pre reasonably low-latency with Planet/Alsa? I already have two of those. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>5) Finally, and sorry for all these basic questions: I gather Linux mavens would use GRUB to do the multiple-boot setup (I want to have both XP and Fedora), but I was thinking that for an old-guy Linux newbie like me that Partition Magic (now from Symantec) might be easier/safer. Advice? Or would I use Partition Magic first in XP (to set up a partition for Linux) and then GRUB jumps in as part of the Fedora install? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for your help. I'm excited about landing on Planet CCRMA.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chuck Cooper</DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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