[PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
Bal Dobe
baldobe2000@yahoo.de
Sat Feb 18 10:05:02 2006
David,
I understand and take on board what you have said. Lets deal with each
of your points.
"So, if the first install of plain FC4 runs well... and does not give
you any problems with init 6, then it's probably not a "serious"
issue with your hardware... your ram is probably good.. and
so is your HD, etc.."
That's good news for now.
"HOWEVER, what Fernando was saying, is that the CCRMA
version you download/install is using a super cutting-edge
kernel that has not had a lot of time spent on testing against
every sort of hardware.... so, it's very possible there is a
specific bug in that which doesn't get along with your hardware
at the moment."
I understand.
"Molnar (who puts the audio kernel patches together) would be
the guy to talk to about getting him the debugging info he'd
need to make fixes to the kernel to ensure it's fixed for your
specific hardware. "
I am not knowledgeable enough or experienced enough to be able to fix
this so, How can I assist Molnar?
What information do I need to get to him for him to be able to debug
this one?
"If you're not willing to live with those issues, then you'll need
to installed FC3/CCRMA ... and wait until the kernel is fixed
before using FC4.
FC3/CCRMA seemed to work pretty good for me, but I can't
really talk about it much, because at that time I had mixed
packages from different repos and that was causing me a
few problems... and another reason my "DAW in 2 hours"
strategy starts with a FRESH install :)"
I am going to try and do FC3 install and then do a FC3 planet ccrma
install and see what happens. It may wipe my FC4 install but I would
like to get my DAW working. I have been messing around with Linux for
months now and my DAW just does not work. I would rather have a DAW
with non cutting edge kernel that works than no DAW with a cutting edge
kernel that does not work for me.
Bal.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Slimp [mailto:rock808@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 1:31 AM
To: Bal Dobe
Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
Bal,
So, if the first install of plain FC4 runs well... and does not give
you any problems with init 6, then it's probably not a "serious"
issue with your hardware... your ram is probably good.. and
so is your HD, etc..
HOWEVER, what Fernando was saying, is that the CCRMA
version you download/install is using a super cutting-edge
kernel that has not had a lot of time spent on testing against
every sort of hardware.... so, it's very possible there is a
specific bug in that which doesn't get along with your hardware
at the moment.
Molnar (who puts the audio kernel patches together) would be
the guy to talk to about getting him the debugging info he'd
need to make fixes to the kernel to ensure it's fixed for your
specific hardware. If you don't want to mess with that, then
it'll probably end up getting fixed sooner or later, but until then
you'll have to live with some possible issues.
If you're not willing to live with those issues, then you'll need
to installed FC3/CCRMA ... and wait until the kernel is fixed
before using FC4.
FC3/CCRMA seemed to work pretty good for me, but I can't
really talk about it much, because at that time I had mixed
packages from different repos and that was causing me a
few problems... and another reason my "DAW in 2 hours"
strategy starts with a FRESH install :)
I don't foresee any problem having FC3 and FC4 installed
on separate partitions, but I've never set up 2 different
linux versions on the same machine... so probably would
not be much help with that.
David
On 2/17/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Fernando,
>
> Thanks for your time and comments on this issue.
>
> OK lets try and think this through logically, please bear with me on
this I
> am relatively new to Linux and am still learning.
>
> Kernel Panic problem;
> FC4 installs on my machine fine, I can also install all the ccrma
audiovideo
> apps. Following David's instructions DAW in 2 hours I do not get an
error
> at the first reboot,via init 6
>
> So I install FC4:
>
> "just have auto partitioning.... don't select "selinux".
> .. everything just very generic.
>
> start the GUI, but don't change to KDE
> for now... just do an "init 6" and see if you get that same error.
> Hopefully you'll reboot just fine."
>
> I was able to reboot after the FC4 install.
>
> Then I did the planet ccrma installs
>
> "Log in again, and only upgrade the FC4 stuff first:
> rpm -Uvh
>
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/apt/rpms/apt-0.5.15cnc6-4.rhfc4.cc
> rma.i386.rpm
> rpm --import
> http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/RPM-GPG-KEY.planetccrma.txt
> apt-get update
> apt-get upgrade"
>
> After this is done I get the kernel error. The problem is repeatable,
it
> has happened several times now.
>
>
> RAM problem.
> Surely bad ram is bad ram so FC4 should not be able to work not just
FC4
> ccrma, or am a mistaken?
>
> I am doing a memtest86 on my machine at the moment, the machine is
over a
> year old and was thoroughly tested continuously for about 2 days, upon
being
> built. No Ram errors were found. There are still no errors after 30
mins and
> one pass.
>
> If this is the problem, how can I fix it? Buy new ram, how do I know
that
> will work? Can I just buy more ram and continue to use the ram I have
in
> conjunction with the new ram?
>
> As you can see I seriously hope that it is not a ram issue.
>
> Alternative solutions.
>
> Load FC4 on another HDD?
> Could the problem be the HDD? I have three HDDs in the machine and I
am
> only using linux on one Maxtor 200Gig drive? I also have a Seagate,
should
> I try and do a reinstall on the Seagate drive and see if that makes
any
> difference?
>
> If it works on the Seagate then I would be happy to move all of my
windows
> applications to the Maxtor 200G drive and use the Seagate for linux.
>
> Reinstall FC3 and ccrma for FC3?
> Should I try and install FC3 an do a ccrma install on that? Can I
install
> that on one of my other partitions without upsetting the FC4 install?
> Remember I had problems with the sound on the FC3 install.
>
> Is the FC3 ccrma install more stable albeit with latency not as good
as FC4?
> I am happy to wait for FC4 to be sorted out and use FC3 in the
meantime.
> Could I leave my FC4 install and start using a FC3 ccrma kernel?
>
> Hope that somebody can help.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano [mailto:nando@ccrma.Stanford.EDU]
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:57 PM
> To: David Slimp
> Cc: Bal Dobe; planetccrma@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
>
> On Fri, 2006-02-17 at 03:27 -0600, David Slimp wrote:
> > Hmm... JUST installing the audioapps (as opposed to audio/video)
should
> not
> > cause any problems, of course... I just wanna make sure I know what
you
> might
> > and might not have going on over there.
> >
> > getting a Kernel Panic from init 6 is a very bad sign.
> > I have no idea what that could be from...
>
> Sorry you guys are having so many problems.... :-(
>
> A kernel panic indicates that something strange happened inside the
> kernel. The kernel detects that (somehow) and decides that the safest
> thing to do is to do absolutely nothing, and then it stops and prints
> the error message.
>
> There could be a ram problem as you suggest, but most likely there is
> some bug in the kernel which manifests itself only with the
combination
> of hardware that you have. The realtime kernels which incorporate Ingo
> Molnar's patches see a lot less testing than the "stock" kernels and
> have a much faster evolution, and so they are less stable (but, of
> course, have better low latency performance when they work......)
>
> Not much that can be done if it is repeatable (a non repeatable
problem
> may point to bad ram) other than fix the bug - beyond what I can do,
> regretfully.
>
> -- Fernando
>
> > do you possibly
> > have bad RAM? Perhaps a copy of your history will reveal
> > something? I know the errors during the ccrma install
> > were not normal.... could be causing these other issues.
> > I'm on the verge of saying "wipe it" again... making sure
> > to NOT select selinux, and starting off with a smaller
> > package set, and also starting off with the internal card
> > disabled.... just to make sure those things didn't mess
> > something up.
> >
> > Before you installed, there is an option to "check media".
> > Did you check each disk first? -- maybe some package(s)
> > are corrupt?
> >
> >
> > I think I would stay away from KDE until we get it running
> > just to be safe.... I think KDE likes to start the aRts sound
> > server, and I'm not sure it plays nice with jack/alsa, but
> > I'm not an expert on that (or really anything.. heh)
> >
> >
> > I guess right now (unless your history shows you typed
> > something bad), I'm most worried that you have bad RAM
> > or possibly a corrupt package on the install CDs.
> >
> > It's okay to "start" the install... do the check on the media,
> > and then reboot.... it won't actually overwrite anything at
> > that point. Might be worth the effort to check.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/17/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > "Also, my instructions said to run this:
> > >
> > > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps
> > >
> > > Did you do something differently?"
> > >
> > > Yes, I did,
> > > apt-get install planetccrma-audioapps
> > >
> > > as stated in the instructions on the planet ccrma site. I only
really
> > > want the audio apps.
> > >
> > > The reason I type in is because I am reading your emails on my
laptop
> > > in outlook whilst installing FC4 on another machine. Not to worry
I just
> > > have to be extra carefull!.
> > >
> > > "Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say what you
were
> > > typing/clicking that didn't work."
> > >
> > > I logout from KDE by going to the KDE menu icon and Logout>End
current
> > > Session
> > >
> > > Then I goto Shutdown on the login menu.
> > >
> > > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): init 6
> > >
> > > From CLI as root I have tried
> > > init 6
> > >
> > > and I get
> > >
> > > <0> Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt
> > >
> > > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.
> > > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that
> > > mean you've already been doing some playing around and
> > > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?
> > >
> > > Yes, a little. I did
> > >
> > > Ctl alt f1
> > > Login
> > >
> > > Switchdesk KDE
> > >
> > > Logout
> > > Ctl alt f7
> > >
> > > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user and
root),
> > > and paste all the output here in email....
> > >
> > > I will do that in my next email and attach them as txt files.
> > >
> > > Bal
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Slimp [mailto:rock808@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:13 AM
> > > To: Bal Dobe
> > > Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.stanford.edu
> > > Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: From zero to DAW in 2 hours !
> > >
> > > First... Kelly... thanks for your input/confirmation on the
intel8x0 and
> > > 1010LT not working together.
> > >
> > > Next, Bal...
> > > I saw you were getting several strange "not going to be installed"
> > > messages
> > > in one of your previous emails. That bothers me... those apps
SHOULD
> > > have been installed just fine.... but then I saw you do 'apt-get
if
> > > install'
> > > and 'apt-get dis-upgrade' after that, and everything seemed to be
> > > there?!
> > > You did not copy the command you used to get that started in to
> > > your email, so I'm not sure WHAT you might have done there.
> > > Also, my instructions said to run this:
> > >
> > > apt-get install planetccrma-audiovideoapps
> > >
> > > Did you do something differently?
> > >
> > > I then noticed there was a type when you were downloading
PC51f.sf2.gz
> > > so that makes me think you are typing these commands by hand
rather
> > > than copy/paste what I've written? -- I'd suggest copy/paste to be
extra
> > > sure no typos are made :)
> > >
> > > Finally, you said you can't shut down, but did not say what you
were
> > > typing/clicking that didn't work.
> > > I usually reboot by typing (as root from command line): init 6
> > >
> > >
> > > I do see all the apps in my menus, so you should too.
> > > I seem to be using gnome, rather than KDE, so does that
> > > mean you've already been doing some playing around and
> > > changing some things to get yourself in to KDE?
> > >
> > > It might be best to run the 'history' command (as your user and
root),
> > > and paste all the output here in email.... make sure none of it
gives
> > > away anything that could compromise your system, but if you've
> > > run a command or two (maybe typo) that could have done something
> > > bad, it would be good to know. :)
> > >
> > > david
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/16/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > > Ok now that I have installed all the ccrma audio apps I have two
> > > > problems:
> > > >
> > > > 1 I can not see any of the audio apps in the KDE menu system.
When I
> > > > installed ccrma on FC3 I had a whole load of apps in the sound &
video
> > > > section. This happens in both FC4 and FC4 ccrma.
> > > >
> > > > 2) I can not shut the machine down. I get an error in a CLI
screen
> > > which
> > > > says [<c0103a51>] syscall_call +0x7/0xb
> > > >
> > > > So what do I do I do next?
> > > >
>
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