[PlanetCCRMA] Re: Help to Install FC 3 for Julia Sound card no sound output.
Nigel Henry
cave.dnb@tiscali.fr
Wed Feb 15 13:21:01 2006
On Wednesday 15 February 2006 17:31, Bal Dobe wrote:
> David thanks for your help.
>
> HOwever, before I uninstall and reinstall stuff I want make sure that we
> are clear about something.
>
> My FC3 install which is on sda6, does not have grub.conf in /etc/
>
> The only grub.conf I have is in /boot/grub/ on my FC4 partition which is
> on sda5.
Hi Bal. That sounds ok, because I presume that when you installed FC3 you
elected not to use a bootloader, and were going to write entries to FC4's
GRUB bootloader to boot the FC3 kernels. I have found this not the best way
to go, because when you add kernels to FC3, for instance, you have to
manually add them to FC4's bootloader. I run many multiple installs in
different harddrive caddies, and this is the way I do it. The current
harddrive running in the machine has 4 distro's on it, and each one has a
bootloader. This is the way it is set up for FC2, FC3, Debian Sarge, and
Debian Sarge/Etch.
FC2 was the first install on this drive, so I installed GRUB in the MBR, and
root is shown as (hd0,0). The other disros are installed, and the bootloader
(LILO) in the case of the Debian installs are installed in the / partition.
In the case of Debian Sarge, it is in (hd0,4), and in the case of Debian
Sarge/Etch (hd0,6). FC3 has it's bootloader, GRUB, installed in (hd0,8). Now
you have 4 bootloaders installed, and the only OS you can boot up is FC2. I
usually use Webmin to mess with bootloader entries, but that aside I boot up
FC2. Open the CLI, then gedit or some other text editor, then go
to /boot/grub/grub.conf. Then I add the following lines.
title Debiansarge
root (hd0,4)
chainloader +1
title Debiantesting
root (hd0,6)
chainloader +1
title FC3
root (hd0,8)
chainloader +1
Now when I boot up the machine, I am presented with FC2's GRUB bootloader
that's in the MBR. This has 4 kernels for FC2, plus entries for Debian Sarge,
Debian Testing, and FC3. Click on FC3, and that takes me to the GRUB
bootloader for FC3, again with a choice of kernels to boot. You will have the
original kernel from the FC3 install, plus any from Planetccrma that you have
also installed. This method is preferable, as if you add another kernel to
FC3 for instance, it is automatically added to the GRUB bootloader which is
on (hd0,8)
Right. To save having to reinstall FC3, and after having saved any valuable
data thats on FC3. The following is a part from the Gentoo manual for
installing GRUB. I had a problem with FC1 using an IDE PCI adaptor card for 3
distros on different harddrives where I had to resort to booting from a
floppy for FC1. I stress that I havn't tried what is below, apart from my
Gentoo install. FC1 showed GRUB on the system, but nothing, no grub.conf
in /boot.grub/grub.conf. This is worth a try, as the only other option is
reinstalling FC3, and putting the GRUB bootloader in the / partition for the
newly installed FC3, so that all newly installed planetccrma kernels will
show up on the GRUB bootloader for FC3.
Part of Gentoo Handbook below:
Now we can install GRUB using grub-install:
Code Listing 6: Running grub-install
# grub-install /dev/hda (change hda for your / partition) IMPORTANT
If you have more questions regarding GRUB, please consult the GRUB FAQ or the
GRUB Manual.
Continue with Rebooting the System.
Alternative: Setting up GRUB using manual instructions
To start configuring GRUB, you type in grub. You'll be presented with the
grub> grub command-line prompt. Now, you need to type in the right commands
to install the GRUB boot record onto your hard drive.
Code Listing 7: Starting the GRUB shell
# grub
Note: If your system does not have any floppy drives, add the --no-floppy
option to the above command to prevent grub from probing the (non-existing)
floppy drives.
In the example configuration we want to install GRUB so that it reads its
information from the boot-partition /dev/hda1, and installs the GRUB boot
record on the hard drive's MBR (master boot record) so that the first thing
we see when we turn on the computer is the GRUB prompt. Of course, if you
haven't followed the example configuration during the installation, change
the commands accordingly.
The tab completion mechanism of GRUB can be used from within GRUB. For
instance, if you type in "root (" followed by a TAB, you will be presented
with a list of devices (such as hd0). If you type in "root (hd0," followed by
a TAB, you will receive a list of available partitions to choose from (such
as hd0,0).
By using the tab completion, setting up GRUB should be not that hard. Now go
on, configure GRUB, shall we? :-)
Code Listing 8: Installing GRUB in the MBR
grub> root (hd0,0) (Specify where your /boot partition resides)
grub> setup (hd0) (Install GRUB in the MBR)
grub> quit (Exit the GRUB shell)
Note: If you want to install GRUB in a certain partition instead of the MBR,
you have to alter the setup command so it points to the right partition. For
instance, if you want GRUB installed in /dev/hda3, then the command becomes
setup (hd0,2). Few users however want to do this.
End of Gentoo Handbook excerpt.
Please. Please be aware of the fact that GRUB uses different identifiers for
harddrive partitions. hda is identified with GRUB as hd0. The first partition
on your first harddrive is identified as hd0,0, rather than hda1.
Come back if you have more questions. Nigel.
BTW: David . I liked your install. It seemed to go ok, and most importantly
the sound works.
>
> I am reluctant to wipe everything and start again for obvious reasons
> but if that is what I have to do so be it.
>
> Do I need to copy grub.conf from FC4 and put it into /etc/ in FC3?
No
>
> When I installed FC3 I did not install the boot loader in the MBR, I
> kept my previous one and modified it so that it could boot into FC3.
>
> Once again thanks for your help.
>
> Bal dobe.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Slimp [mailto:rock808@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:37 PM
> To: Bal Dobe
> Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: Help to Install FC 3 for Julia Sound card
> no sound output.
>
> Not having /etc/grub.conf does not sound right. It's really
> just a link to /boot/grub/grub.conf, but I think you should still have
> it.
>
> It sounds like you're saying that you are editing the grub.conf file?
> You should not have to be doing this manually. Installing the
> kernel RPMs should be doing this automatically. I suppose you
> could be messing something up by doing it manually - maybe
> getting something wrong.... such as the kernel name.... which,
> for the CCRMA kernel, SHOULD have "ccrma" in the kernel
> name somewhere, but I don't see that in your grub entry.
>
> If this sounds like what you might have done, then I'd recommend
> UNinstalling the ccrma kernel (rpm -e), delete the ccrma entry
> from your grub.conf (if it's still there afterward), and then
> re-install it (rpm -i) and then check your grub.conf to make sure
> it's automatically been updated properly.
>
> I'm currently wiping my machine (FC3), and starting with a fresh FC4
> install myself, so will have more accurate "how to" in a couple hours.
>
> David
>
> On 2/15/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > David
> >
> > For FC3 the kernel I am running is 2.6.9-1.667
> > For FC4 it is 2.6.11-1.1369_FC4
> >
> >
> > I do not have a file called /etc/grub.conf in FC3
> >
> > My Grub file/s is accessed through FC4 and is at /boot/grub.conf
> >
> > Here are the main contents.
> > # grub.conf generated by anaconda
> > #
> > # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making
> > changes to this file
> > # NOTICE: You have a /boot partition. This means
> > thatt all kernel and initrd paths are relative to
> > /boot/, eg.
> > # root (hd0,4)
> > # kernel /vmlinuz-version ro root=/dev/sda1
> > # initrd /initrd-version.img
> > #boot=/dev/sda
> > default=0
> > timeout=5
> > splashimage=(hd0,4)/grub/splash.xpm.gz
> > hiddenmenu
> >
> > **(this is one I entered for CCRMA and does not work)
> > title Fedora Core plnaet ccrma (2.6.10-2.11 plnaet ccrma)
> > root (hd0,5)
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.10-2.11 ro root=/dev/sda6
> > rhgb quiet
> > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.10-2.11.img
> >
> >
> > title Fedora Core 4 (2.6.11-1.1369_FC4)
> > root (hd0,4)
> > kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11-1.1369_FC4 ro root=LABEL=/1
> > rhgb quiet
> > initrd /initrd-2.6.11-1.1369_FC4.img
> >
> > This is my FC3 install that I installed ccrma on
> > title Fedora Core 3 (2.6.9-1.667_FC3)
> > root (hd0,5)
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-1.667 ro root=/dev/sda6
> > rhgb quiet
> > initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.9-1.667.img
> >
> >
> > **The rest are just locations of WInXP boots.
> > title WinXP DawDaw
> > rootnoverify (hd1,1)
> > map (hd0) (hd1)
> > map (hd1) (hd0)
> > chainloader +1
> > title WinXP General
> > rootnoverify (hd2,1)
> > map (hd0) (hd2)
> > map (hd2) (hd0)
> > chainloader +1
> >
> > Hope that you can help.
> >
> > Bal Dobe
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> > [mailto:planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU] On Behalf Of David Slimp
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:54 AM
> > To: Bal Dobe
> > Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> > Subject: [PlanetCCRMA] Re: Help to Install FC 3 for Julia Sound card
>
> no
>
> > sound output.
> >
> > What kernel are you running with right now?
> > uname -r
> >
> > What is the contents of your /etc/grub.conf ?
> >
> >
> > Before running apt-get dist-upgrade... have you
> > reconfigured your apt source files as directed?
> > Perhaps you should post those too, just to be sure.
> >
> >
> > For "multiple sound cards" ... do you have more than
> > one sound card installed? If not, then skip that part.
> >
> > On 2/14/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > Ok I tried to install planet ccrma by following the instructions on
>
> the
>
> > > ccrma website.
> > >
> > > I got up to
> > >
> > > "Testing New Kernels" and tried to reboot.
> > >
> > > My grub.conf files still shows the old FC3 and FC4 boots. That is,
>
> for
>
> > > FC3 I have FC3 2.6.9-1.667 not 2.6.10-2.11 as suggested. I tried
>
> to
>
> > > change Grub from 2.6.9-1.667 to 2.6.10-2.11 for the vmlinuz and
>
> initrid
>
> > > files but I get an error saying that there is no such files.
> > >
> > > So I booted back into FC3 and ran
> > >
> > > apt-get dist-upgrade. No problems there.
> > >
> > > I do not understand what to do to:
> > > "Configure multiple soundcards."
> > >
> > > I have a midi keyboard connected via usb and a midi keyboard
>
> connected
>
> > > via the soundcard (ESI Julia Pro) I would very much appreciate help
>
> in
>
> > > this area.
> > >
> > > I still can not get any sound out from my machine. on boot up I get
>
> the
>
> > > message
> > >
> > > "Soundserver informational message:
> > >
> > > Error while initialising the sound driver
> > >
> > > Device:default can't be opened for playback (no such a device)
> > >
> > > The sound server will continue using the null output device."
> > >
> > > I also did
> > >
> > > Apt-get install planetccrma-audioapps
> > >
> > > Which loaded and installed but of course I get no sound out.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > Bal Dobe.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> > > [mailto:planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU] On Behalf Of David
>
> Slimp
>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:17 AM
> > > To: Bal Dobe
> > > Cc: planetccrma@ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: [PlanetCCRMA] Newbie to ccrma: need help with FC 3 for
> > > Julia Sound card and to install Planet CCRMA
> > >
> > > Personally, I see no reason not to continue on with the CCRMA
> > > install. Worst case is that sound still won't work, but you WILL
> > > be further down the path to where you ultimately want to be.
> > > Best case is that the new packages will fix the problem
>
> "automatically".
>
> > > Once you've got that installed, let us know how you're trying
> > > to hear/play sound? ... is jack running or not? What player
> > > are you using? I assume you're using a sound file you KNOW
> > > has made sound in the past? Check the Alsa Soundcard matrix
> > > to make sure your specific card is supported:
> > > http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
> > >
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > On 2/12/06, Bal Dobe <baldobe2000@yahoo.de> wrote:
> > > > Hi, I have just joined the mailing list and this is my first post.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to install planet ccrma on my AMD 64 machine. I
> > >
> > > installed FC 4
> > >
> > > > and tried to install planet ccrma but had no luck so I decided to
> > >
> > > install
> > >
> > > > FC3 on a separate partition on the same drive and will install the
>
> low
>
> > > > latency kernel on that.
> > > >
> > > > I have FC3 installed and working except for the sound, I can not
>
> get
>
> > > any
> > >
> > > > sound out. I am using a ESI Julia Pro Soundcard and have tried un
> > >
> > > muting
> > >
> > > > and looking in control centre but still no sound out. (I can get
> > >
> > > sound out
> > >
> > > > from the FC4 install).
> > > >
> > > > FC3 was defaulting to the on board sound which I have disabled in
>
> the
>
> > > BIOS
> > >
> > > > now since I have no need for it.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone help me to get my Julia soundcard working please. (I
>
> have
>
> > > posted
> > >
> > > > this question on linux questions .org but had no luck so far.)
> > > >
> > > > My plan is to get FC3 working before attempting to install planet
> > >
> > > ccrma. Is
> > >
> > > > this a sensible way to go?
> > > >
> > > > Do I have to get the soundcard working before I go through the
>
> planet
>
> > > ccrma
> > >
> > > > install for FC3 or can I just go ahead and install planet?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks for any help in advance.
> > > >
> > > > baldo
> > >
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> > =
> >
> > "On proprietary platforms, eventually you'll run into 'you can't do
>
> that.'
>
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>
> that.' "
>
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> =
>
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> "
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