[PlanetCCRMA] Fwd: [music-dsp] Official posistion of Roland Corp. about Copyrights.

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Fair enough. This is consistent with copyright and brand rights. You =
don't have the legal rights to the Roland name, it's brands, nor any =
unauthorized representation. This is all correct. You may not just =
sample or reverse-engineer their products, claim ownership of those =
sounds and distribute them as you please. This is also very correct.

So, don't sample Roland sounds and use them in anything other than your =
own mixes, and only if it is from a Roland synth of which you are the =
rightful owner. Sample your own acoustic instruments. (If you've got =
good microphones, pre-amps, spaces and a bit of microphone technique; =
you should find that you can do better with a little trial and error and =
a good performer).

However, if you can model the sound in your own code, e.g. in csound or =
a general programming language, it shouldn't infringe on their =
copyright. If you can create a model and synthesize `the sound' by your =
own work, they would not be able to show copyright infringement in a =
court of law. This will involve a good foundation in DSP, programming =
and a good ear. Many models of commercial equipment have been built in =
csound without any copyright infringements. The concept of FM is not =
owned by Yamaha, but the DX7 is. There is much good experience gained by =
trying to model hardware in software.---some of it yields even better =
results or perhaps a new approach or new techniques!

Yes, it is a good reason to develop synthesis in the public domain as =
there is so much further it can be taken than a fixed and branded box of =
wires and keys can. In csound I've done synthesis that no commercial =
keyboard/box would dare---yes, much of it is not `real-time'.=20

I think sampling acoustic instruments is a challenge, but sampling =
electronic instruments is cheap. If there is a market for samples from =
commercial synth companies, it's a good reason for them to consider =
subscription (or other) selling of high-quality product samples to =
non-registered owners of their hardware. I don't support the idea of =
someone just sampling and re-distributing the sounds of branded products =
as if they were their own.=20

Develop your own models and re-create the sound and don't use their =
brand name.---you should have no problems with copyright. It is not the =
easy way, but the better way.

Just my thoughts,

Greg

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From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Gregory Maxwell
Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 10:22 PM
To: Planet ccrma; Kat Walsh
Subject: [PlanetCCRMA] Fwd: [music-dsp] Official posistion of Roland =
Corp. about Copyrights.
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More reason why free software for making music is so very important...

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From: nikko@nikkoid.com <nikko@nikkoid.com>
Date: Feb 15, 2006 5:01 AM
Subject: [music-dsp] Official posistion of Roland Corp. about =
Copyrights.
To: music-dsp <music-dsp@ceait.calarts.edu>

Hi,

I've been in contact with the Roland's Corp lawyer and I've asked some
questions about :
- the use of sampling made from Roland synths
- the use of picture of Roland synth (when doing a 'clone')
- the fact that some Roland synth are +30 years old and so are
supposed to be in public domain.
- the use of Roland Band to advertise a clone (TB-303, TR-808, SH-101 =
etc)
- the use of the name of the synth in a virtual clone.

This is Roland position, the laws are different in every country, but
the Roland position is very strict. Also the response is very clear.
Anyone who plan to release a Roland clone should read this...

Roland response :

"I am writing to you in order to respond to the questions you
presented to us last week. First, copying Roland's sounds constitutes
copyright infringement regardless of the process for copying the
sounds. It therefore makes no difference that DREAM ripped Roland's
ROMs, while you are recording the sounds manually with a microphone;
both actions constitute copyright infringement. It also does not
matter that you copy Roland's sounds and put them into a "virtual
sampler" which is a different format than the original. Regardless of
how you might subsequently process or present the sounds, copying
Roland's sounds for use in any competing product infringes Roland's
copyrights. Finally, Roland infringes no copyrights when it samples
acoustic instruments for playback in its products, because acoustic
instruments enjoy no copyright protection in the sounds they produce.
Copyright protection is only afforded once the sound is captured in a
"tangible medium of expression," for example, a recording of an
acoustic instrument captured into a .wav file. So your assertion that
Roland would be liable for copyright infringement if you are liable to
Roland, is entirely incorrect and without basis in law.

Second, you may not use Roland's trademarks or trade dress in your
products or in conjunction with the sale of your products. The
distinctive look of Roland's famous products are protected under
trademark law as "trade dress." This includes a photograph or other
image or likeness of the Roland SH-09. Therefore, your use of the name
SH-09 and images of the SH-09 constitute trademark infringement, as
well as unfair competition.

I hope this answers all your questions. Once again, Roland very much
appreciates your willingness to cooperate in the protection of
Roland's intellectual property. Only by protecting its intellectual
property will Roland be in a position to continue to design and
manufacture its innovative products for many generation to come.

Best wishes,

Greg Gabriel"

Also another exerpt :

Here is another extract of the conversation I got :

"It is not a violation of Roland's copyrights to play a Roland
instrument in a musical recording and sell the music created.  Roland
grants the users of its products an implied license to use its sounds
in such a manner.  However, using Roland's copyrighted sounds in
competing products is a direct infringement of Roland's copyrights.
This applies even if you are "creating programs" which alter the
original sounds, because these "programs" would constitute derivative
works which would also infringe Roland's copyrights.  Finally, using
Roland's trademarks, including the look of its products, in
conjunction with any product or service without Roland's authorization
is a violation of trademark law.  Therefore, using the brand name
"Roland," or the names or images of any Roland product in conjunction
with the sale of your products is prohibited.  I hope this answers
your questions.

Best wishes,

Greg Gabriel"

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fair enough. This is consistent with copyright and =
brand rights. You don't have the legal rights to the Roland name, it's =
brands, nor any unauthorized representation. This is all correct. You =
may not just sample or reverse-engineer their products, claim ownership =
of those sounds and distribute them as you please. This is also very =
correct.<BR>
<BR>
So, don't sample Roland sounds and use them in anything other than your =
own mixes, and only if it is from a Roland synth of which you are the =
rightful owner. Sample your own acoustic instruments. (If you've got =
good microphones, pre-amps, spaces and a bit of microphone technique; =
you should find that you can do better with a little trial and error and =
a good performer).<BR>
<BR>
However, if you can model the sound in your own code, e.g. in csound or =
a general programming language, it shouldn't infringe on their =
copyright. If you can create a model and synthesize `the sound' by your =
own work, they would not be able to show copyright infringement in a =
court of law. This will involve a good foundation in DSP, programming =
and a good ear. Many models of commercial equipment have been built in =
csound without any copyright infringements. The concept of FM is not =
owned by Yamaha, but the DX7 is. There is much good experience gained by =
trying to model hardware in software.---some of it yields even better =
results or perhaps a new approach or new techniques!<BR>
<BR>
Yes, it is a good reason to develop synthesis in the public domain as =
there is so much further it can be taken than a fixed and branded box of =
wires and keys can. In csound I've done synthesis that no commercial =
keyboard/box would dare---yes, much of it is not `real-time'.<BR>
<BR>
I think sampling acoustic instruments is a challenge, but sampling =
electronic instruments is cheap. If there is a market for samples from =
commercial synth companies, it's a good reason for them to consider =
subscription (or other) selling of high-quality product samples to =
non-registered owners of their hardware. I don't support the idea of =
someone just sampling and re-distributing the sounds of branded products =
as if they were their own.<BR>
<BR>
Develop your own models and re-create the sound and don't use their =
brand name.---you should have no problems with copyright. It is not the =
easy way, but the better way.<BR>
<BR>
Just my thoughts,<BR>
<BR>
Greg<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: planetccrma-admin@ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Gregory =
Maxwell<BR>
Sent: Wed 2/15/2006 10:22 PM<BR>
To: Planet ccrma; Kat Walsh<BR>
Subject: [PlanetCCRMA] Fwd: [music-dsp] Official posistion of Roland =
Corp. about Copyrights.<BR>
<BR>
More reason why free software for making music is so very =
important...<BR>
<BR>
---------- Forwarded message ----------<BR>
From: nikko@nikkoid.com &lt;nikko@nikkoid.com&gt;<BR>
Date: Feb 15, 2006 5:01 AM<BR>
Subject: [music-dsp] Official posistion of Roland Corp. about =
Copyrights.<BR>
To: music-dsp &lt;music-dsp@ceait.calarts.edu&gt;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hi,<BR>
<BR>
I've been in contact with the Roland's Corp lawyer and I've asked =
some<BR>
questions about :<BR>
- the use of sampling made from Roland synths<BR>
- the use of picture of Roland synth (when doing a 'clone')<BR>
- the fact that some Roland synth are +30 years old and so are<BR>
supposed to be in public domain.<BR>
- the use of Roland Band to advertise a clone (TB-303, TR-808, SH-101 =
etc)<BR>
- the use of the name of the synth in a virtual clone.<BR>
<BR>
This is Roland position, the laws are different in every country, =
but<BR>
the Roland position is very strict. Also the response is very clear.<BR>
Anyone who plan to release a Roland clone should read this...<BR>
<BR>
Roland response :<BR>
<BR>
&quot;I am writing to you in order to respond to the questions you<BR>
presented to us last week. First, copying Roland's sounds =
constitutes<BR>
copyright infringement regardless of the process for copying the<BR>
sounds. It therefore makes no difference that DREAM ripped Roland's<BR>
ROMs, while you are recording the sounds manually with a microphone;<BR>
both actions constitute copyright infringement. It also does not<BR>
matter that you copy Roland's sounds and put them into a =
&quot;virtual<BR>
sampler&quot; which is a different format than the original. Regardless =
of<BR>
how you might subsequently process or present the sounds, copying<BR>
Roland's sounds for use in any competing product infringes Roland's<BR>
copyrights. Finally, Roland infringes no copyrights when it samples<BR>
acoustic instruments for playback in its products, because acoustic<BR>
instruments enjoy no copyright protection in the sounds they =
produce.<BR>
Copyright protection is only afforded once the sound is captured in =
a<BR>
&quot;tangible medium of expression,&quot; for example, a recording of =
an<BR>
acoustic instrument captured into a .wav file. So your assertion =
that<BR>
Roland would be liable for copyright infringement if you are liable =
to<BR>
Roland, is entirely incorrect and without basis in law.<BR>
<BR>
Second, you may not use Roland's trademarks or trade dress in your<BR>
products or in conjunction with the sale of your products. The<BR>
distinctive look of Roland's famous products are protected under<BR>
trademark law as &quot;trade dress.&quot; This includes a photograph or =
other<BR>
image or likeness of the Roland SH-09. Therefore, your use of the =
name<BR>
SH-09 and images of the SH-09 constitute trademark infringement, as<BR>
well as unfair competition.<BR>
<BR>
I hope this answers all your questions. Once again, Roland very much<BR>
appreciates your willingness to cooperate in the protection of<BR>
Roland's intellectual property. Only by protecting its intellectual<BR>
property will Roland be in a position to continue to design and<BR>
manufacture its innovative products for many generation to come.<BR>
<BR>
Best wishes,<BR>
<BR>
Greg Gabriel&quot;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Also another exerpt :<BR>
<BR>
Here is another extract of the conversation I got :<BR>
<BR>
&quot;It is not a violation of Roland's copyrights to play a Roland<BR>
instrument in a musical recording and sell the music created.&nbsp; =
Roland<BR>
grants the users of its products an implied license to use its =
sounds<BR>
in such a manner.&nbsp; However, using Roland's copyrighted sounds =
in<BR>
competing products is a direct infringement of Roland's copyrights.<BR>
This applies even if you are &quot;creating programs&quot; which alter =
the<BR>
original sounds, because these &quot;programs&quot; would constitute =
derivative<BR>
works which would also infringe Roland's copyrights.&nbsp; Finally, =
using<BR>
Roland's trademarks, including the look of its products, in<BR>
conjunction with any product or service without Roland's =
authorization<BR>
is a violation of trademark law.&nbsp; Therefore, using the brand =
name<BR>
&quot;Roland,&quot; or the names or images of any Roland product in =
conjunction<BR>
with the sale of your products is prohibited.&nbsp; I hope this =
answers<BR>
your questions.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Best wishes,<BR>
<BR>
Greg Gabriel&quot;<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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