[PlanetCCRMA] detailed envy24control documentation?
Matt Marian
matt1@mattmarian.homelinux.com
Fri Dec 30 06:24:03 2005
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Paul Coccoli wrote:
>On 12/29/05, D. R. Evans <doc.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Ah! I vastly simplified the problem and now things are making sense.
>>
>>The combination of envy24control, Jack and ardour gave me too many
>>variables and all kinds of weird things were happening. (I hadn't
>>realised, although I suppose I should have, that Jack and ardour would
>>affect what I was seeing in envy24control.) When I stopped ardour and
>>jack so that I was just left with envy24control to deal with, then
>>things made much more sense.
>>
>>The only thing that is not quite sensible is that the 1010LT appears
>>to be designed so that one can't just plug a guitar into one of the
>>non-XLR inputs and expect it to work -- I'm not sure what M-Audio
>>expects to be plugged into those phono sockets, but apparently it's
>>not an acoustic guitar with on-board electronics. It would have been
>>nice if something had mentioned that somewhere in the 1010LT
>>documentation.
>>
>>I'm not sure how earlier I had managed to arrange things so that with
>>ardour in the system I could hear the guitar at a good volume, even
>>though I couldn't record at the right level, but with ardour out of
>>the system, the guitar levels are very low. Easy enough to get around
>>by using one of the XLR jacks instead.
>>
>>Thanks for the help and encouragement. I was really begining to doubt
>>my sanity for a while when nothing was making any sense.
>>
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>>
>>
>
>I'm glad you're making progress.
>
>On the 1010LT, the non-XLR inputs are all line-level inputs. They are
>not designed to be connected to a guitar. The XLR inputs shouldn't be
>connected directly to a guitar, either. I think those inputs are
>low-impedance, balanced mic inputs. You should use a DI box to match
>the high-impedance guitar signal to the low-impedance mic pre on the
>1010LT. I guess you can plug the guitar in to either type of input,
>but as you learned, it will be too low, and I think it probably would
>sound like poo.
>
>I think the manual must provide some insight into what should be
>connected to the two types of inputs. My Delta 66 manual does.
>Though I guess it doesn't really tell you what NOT to plug into it.
>
>Try this as a reference: http://www.tape.com/Bartlett_Articles/impedance.html
>
>
>
The 2 xlr inputs are defaulted to - active pre-amp inputs - which can be
over-ridden by changing the jumper(s)
on the 1010LT. The other inputs are designed to be used with a mixer -
using direct outs or with mics(or anything)
using a direct box or pre-amp. While you can plug your guitar into one
of the - preamped XLR connections , a better approach would be to use a
really good mic to capture the "acoustic" sound of the wooden
instrument. That totally depends on what you are wanted to hear and -
Basically - subjective.
1st version, leave the jumpers in default - use inputs 1 & 2 (the XLR)
with mics and mic your guitar - RECORD it.
2nd version - change jumpers on card from pre-amp position to
line-level - use a mixer( mixing board)
plug all instruments /mics into physical board - use direct outs from
board to inputs of soundcard. you now have a studio set up. Utilize
the physical board - not so much as a "mixer" , but it does give you
greater control of signal/gain . you would use envy24control as your
level monitors , and the mixer in ardour to finesse and also to control
the mastering later using jamin etc.
Initially by adding the physical "mixingboard" into your system setup ,
does add one more element to potentially mess with you,you can do this
. Like you said, backing out and sorting 1 variable at a time makes it
clearer in ones head - what is actually going on.
I find the best signal to noise ratio looks something like this - the
sliders on the physical "mixingboard" set to the lower side and the
sliders on envy24control to high or max - allows for the best signal to
be recorded.
this is strictly my opinion- not based on engineering etc. anyone with
more knowledge might challenge me and I am ok with that - I am always
up for learning . These are things that I have figured out through
reading and trial and error.
good luck . - have fun !!
Matt
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<pre wrap="">On 12/29/05, D. R. Evans <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doc.evans@gmail.com"><doc.evans@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Ah! I vastly simplified the problem and now things are making sense.
The combination of envy24control, Jack and ardour gave me too many
variables and all kinds of weird things were happening. (I hadn't
realised, although I suppose I should have, that Jack and ardour would
affect what I was seeing in envy24control.) When I stopped ardour and
jack so that I was just left with envy24control to deal with, then
things made much more sense.
The only thing that is not quite sensible is that the 1010LT appears
to be designed so that one can't just plug a guitar into one of the
non-XLR inputs and expect it to work -- I'm not sure what M-Audio
expects to be plugged into those phono sockets, but apparently it's
not an acoustic guitar with on-board electronics. It would have been
nice if something had mentioned that somewhere in the 1010LT
documentation.
I'm not sure how earlier I had managed to arrange things so that with
ardour in the system I could hear the guitar at a good volume, even
though I couldn't record at the right level, but with ardour out of
the system, the guitar levels are very low. Easy enough to get around
by using one of the XLR jacks instead.
Thanks for the help and encouragement. I was really begining to doubt
my sanity for a while when nothing was making any sense.
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I'm glad you're making progress.
On the 1010LT, the non-XLR inputs are all line-level inputs. They are
not designed to be connected to a guitar. The XLR inputs shouldn't be
connected directly to a guitar, either. I think those inputs are
low-impedance, balanced mic inputs. You should use a DI box to match
the high-impedance guitar signal to the low-impedance mic pre on the
1010LT. I guess you can plug the guitar in to either type of input,
but as you learned, it will be too low, and I think it probably would
sound like poo.
I think the manual must provide some insight into what should be
connected to the two types of inputs. My Delta 66 manual does.
Though I guess it doesn't really tell you what NOT to plug into it.
Try this as a reference: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.tape.com/Bartlett_Articles/impedance.html">http://www.tape.com/Bartlett_Articles/impedance.html</a>
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The 2 xlr inputs are defaulted to - active pre-amp inputs - which can
be over-ridden by changing the jumper(s)<br>
on the 1010LT. The other inputs are designed to be used with a mixer -
using direct outs or with mics(or anything)<br>
using a direct box or pre-amp. While you can plug your guitar into one
of the - preamped XLR connections , a better approach would be to use a
really good mic to capture the "acoustic" sound of the wooden
instrument. That totally depends on what you are wanted to hear and -
Basically - subjective. <br>
<br>
1st version, leave the jumpers in default - use inputs 1 & 2 (the
XLR) with mics and mic your guitar - RECORD it. <br>
2nd version - change jumpers on card from pre-amp position to
line-level - use a mixer( mixing board) <br>
plug all instruments /mics into physical board - use direct outs from
board to inputs of soundcard. you now have a studio set up. Utilize
the physical board - not so much as a "mixer" , but it does give you
greater control of signal/gain . you would use envy24control as your
level monitors , and the mixer in ardour to finesse and also to control
the mastering later using jamin etc. <br>
<br>
Initially by adding the physical "mixingboard" into your system setup ,
does add one more element to potentially mess with you,you can do this
. Like you said, backing out and sorting 1 variable at a time makes it
clearer in ones head - what is actually going on.<br>
I find the best signal to noise ratio looks something like this - the
sliders on the physical "mixingboard" set to the lower side and the
sliders on envy24control to high or max - allows for the best signal
to be recorded.<br>
this is strictly my opinion- not based on engineering etc. anyone with
more knowledge might challenge me and I am ok with that - I am always
up for learning . These are things that I have figured out through
reading and trial and error. <br>
<br>
good luck . - have fun !!<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
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