hi as there is a great pd object named joystick, I'd like to suggest not only to include it within a pd library (it's very easy to build), but including a joystick driver in the kernel. ===== checa http://www.bicitekas.org/ __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus