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<blockquote type="cite">Orm recently merged my pull request that
added support for the Mac, so jack is no longer needed. I use
cm-incudine on the Mac, and so far I haven't run into any
issues.
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I wrote a blog post a while back which explains how to install
commonmusic and incudine on the Mac:<br>
<a href="https://cianoc.github.io/2023/09/12/Installing.html"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://cianoc.github.io/2023/09/12/Installing.html</a></blockquote>
Haha, I ran Jack on macos to get it to work and it
was...stable-ish. :) That's cool though, I didn't know this even
happened.</p>
<p>Brandon Hale<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/9/23 11:22 AM, Cian wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Orm recently merged my pull request that added
support for the Mac, so jack is no longer needed. I use
cm-incudine on the Mac, and so far I haven't run into any
issues.
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<div>I wrote a blog post a while back which explains how to
install commonmusic and incudine on the Mac:<br>
<a href="https://cianoc.github.io/2023/09/12/Installing.html"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://cianoc.github.io/2023/09/12/Installing.html</a><br>
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<div>It's a little fiddly, but it's not a huge deal.</div>
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<div>I mostly use CommonMusic for composed stuff, so I'm not
sure how reliable it is for livecoding. But I would guess if
you're using SuperCollider/CSound as a backend then it's fine.
I've used MIDI a little, but not enough to really stress it,
so I can't speak to latency/jitter issues. But again I'd guess
it's probably fine.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at
11:13 AM Brandon Hale <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bthaleproductions@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Ok, that seems
like a decent motivation to switch to Scheme, since it
is or was used in basic programming courses at
universities anyway. But am I wrong to assume that this
change created a rather incompatible version, i.e. all
existing compositions based on CLOS, and the published
papers and books about Common Music became virtually
obsolete, and the way to compose with version 3 is
significantly different than with version 2? Or do I
have a misconception in this respect?</span></blockquote>
If you need to run anything with Common Music 2, you can
still get it to work...with <a
href="https://incudine.sourceforge.net/" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">incudine</a>! I can also confirm,
as someone who learned lisp with cm-incudine, that Taube's
book "Notes from the Metalevel" works with cm-incudine,
thanks to Orm Finnendahl's help. I use the cm-incudine
system for my own endeavors, like <a
href="https://youtu.be/i2BiwwZGtaA?si=24nDxuUqoMETOvr0"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">this piece</a>
(hopefully it's okay to show a piece, not trying to
advertise).
<p>Check out this link: <a
href="https://github.com/ormf/cm-incudine"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/ormf/cm-incudine</a>
to learn more. Cm-incudine relies heavily on Jack, so
using it on Linux works the best, but I've gotten it to
work on Macos before at work.</p>
<p>I also wrote an installer for it for Arch Linux distros
and a docker image that can work on any system that docker
will run on, without the realtime audio support of course:</p>
<p><a
href="https://github.com/brandflake11/install-cm-incudine"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/brandflake11/install-cm-incudine
</a></p>
<p><a
href="https://github.com/brandflake11/cm-incudine-docker"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/brandflake11/cm-incudine-docker</a></p>
<p>Brandon Hale
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<div>On 11/9/23 9:49 AM, Rochus Keller wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">@
Mike, Bil:</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Thank
you both very much for your quick response and
the interesting information.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">>
Scheme is a somewhat easier language to learn
and use ... I think the motivation was to
simplify teaching computer music.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Ok,
that seems like a decent motivation to switch
to Scheme, since it is or was used in basic
programming courses at universities anyway.
But am I wrong to assume that this change
created a rather incompatible version, i.e.
all existing compositions based on CLOS, and
the published papers and books about Common
Music became virtually obsolete, and the way
to compose with version 3 is significantly
different than with version 2? Or do I have a
misconception in this respect?</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">>
if you are looking to use specifically Common
Lisp for computer-based composition</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Actually
I currently rather try to find out which
language is best suited to represent music on
a symbolic, compositional (not physical or
sound design) level. I'm not sure Common Lisp
or Scheme are the best solution, neither
Python. SAL is an interesting approach, but
essentially Scheme with a kind of Pascal
syntax as far as I understand it.</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">>
so I wrote s7, starting with TinyScheme</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Can I
conclude from this that your change from Lisp
to Scheme and finally your own interpreter was
an important reason for Common Music to
follow?</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">I had
a look at S7 and its implementation which is
impressive. Have you also experimented with
threaded interpreters? Is the performance of
the Scheme code an issue at all in this
application domain?</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">Best</span></p>
<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><span
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt">R.K.</span></p>
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