<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="monospace"><br></font><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">"Maybe i can post some examples of what students were able </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">to do in Sal after one semester not knowing any computer language at </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">all, its pretty remarkable. ill ask them if I can do that when they </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">are back after the new years."</span></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div><div>Hello Dr. Taube</div><div>I am studying SAL and CM now and I think it would be very instructive to be able to study any examples you can post.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Lawrence</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div>Message: 5</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:09:55 -0600</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">From: Heinrich Taube <</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:taube@illinois.edu">taube@illinois.edu</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Subject: Re: [CM] Slime vs Grace (was: Arno in Grace?)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">To: CMdist CM <</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:cmdist@ccrma.Stanford.EDU">cmdist@ccrma.Stanford.EDU</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Message-ID: <</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><a href="mailto:2CF0AB17-F2BC-45B2-A7F0-7D52C7747B56@illinois.edu">2CF0AB17-F2BC-45B2-A7F0-7D52C7747B56@illinois.edu</a></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed; delsp=yes</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">On Dec 29, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Torsten Anders wrote:</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; ">Dear Ralf Mattes,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; ">On 29 Dec 2011, at 11:52, <a href="mailto:rm@tuxteam.de">rm@tuxteam.de</a> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; "><blockquote type="cite">To give up all these nice libraries and be locked into a stadalone <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; "><blockquote type="cite">scheme seems a high price to pay (and, most important for me: hving <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; "><blockquote type="cite">to give up decades uf muscular memory (emacs as an editor) is the <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family: monospace; "><blockquote type="cite">highest price I'd have to pay with Grace).<br></blockquote></blockquote><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">sheesh. I too have 30+ years of emacs; I still use it every day. But </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">for composition I dont feel Grace is a "high price to pay" for leaving </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Emacs/Slime/CommonLisp.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Grace's editor does have a sticky Emacs mode which covers about 90% of </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">the common Emacs commands including the hard stuff like moving </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">forward and backward by expressions(eg c-m-f) , evaluations services, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">syntax highliting, syntactic indentation, and i add/fix whatever </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">people ask for.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">it also has "libraries": Fomus, CLM (bill's entire 30+ year code </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">base!), realitme OSC send/receive, SDIF, realtime MIDI send/receive, </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Csound, and graphics: see the Plotter window (which can display/</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">sonify multiple layers of data) and Cellular Automata windows. you can </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">write lisp code that generates plots, and convert plots back into lisp </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">code.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">its C++/Scheme framworks provides a realtime, metronome based </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">scheduler, lets you load Audio plugins (AU or VST), provides internal </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">Audiofile and Midifile players, and lets you generate audio, midi, xml </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">and .ly files. it runs (to the best of its ability) on three different </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">operating systems.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">It has tons of compositional support: patterns, spectral composition </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">operators, just tuning, scales and modes operators, tons of mapping </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">facilities.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">It has two langauges, a beautiful , fast , fully functional Scheme </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">(S7) with lots of CTL2-isms built in, and SAL, which is what I use to </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">teach with. Maybe i can post some examples of what students were able </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">to do in Sal after one semester not knowing any computer language at </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">all, its pretty remarkable. ill ask them if I can do that when they </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">are back after the new years.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span></div></body></html>