[CM] What motivated the change from CL to Scheme?

[Cian]

In case people aren't familiar with it, Incudine is a real-time (though it
also supports offline rendering) audio/DSP library for Common Lisp. It is
incredibly powerful, as it allows you to do low level DSP in a LISP
language and
get decent performance.

Fomus has also been a game changer for me. Simplifies so many tasks.


On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 11:42 AM Orm Finnendahl <
orm.finnendahl at selma.hfmdk-frankfurt.de> wrote:

> Am Donnerstag, den 09. November 2023 um 08:41:02 Uhr (-0500) schrieb
> Michael Gogins:
> >
> > For what it's worth, if you are looking to use specifically Common Lisp
> for
> > computer-based composition, Common Music in Lisp continues to be
> maintained
> > (sort of). I myself have a repository that includes many impressive
> > extensions to Common Music by Drew Krause at
> > https://github.com/gogins/csound-extended-nudruz. It's a bit of a mess
> that
> > spits out lots of warnings and takes its time loading, but it does
> > definitely work and it does much more (thanks to Drew) than the original
> > Common Music in Lisp. The Lisp version of Common Music is also hosted at
> > https://github.com/andersvi/cm2.
>
>  maybe it's worth mentioning in this context that there is an actively
> maintained version of the Common Lisp version of cm2 here as well:
>
> https://github.com/ormf/cm
>
> The github account also hosts many extensions to cm regarding realtime
> work (using incudine), additional packages for import and export
> from/to svg, sfz, a maintained version of the CL version of Fomus, gui
> extensions for browser based interaction, live coding packages, SPEAR
> like Fourier Analysis/Resynthesis etc.
>
> I did the transition from Common Lisp to Scheme around the time, Rick
> changed to scheme (around 2000 I guess), mainly due to the easier
> setup and teaching of Scheme to students, but went back to Common Lisp
> some years later.
>
> Although I always really liked scheme and still do, the major
> motivation to go back to Common Lisp was the speed of sbcl compared to
> guile back then, the availability of many high quality libraries in
> the Common Lisp world and the expressiveness and flexibility due to
> the multitude of paradigms already implemented in the standard. In the
> meantime, the Common Lisp IDE and other things have evolved quite a
> bit and quicklisp, sly/slime, changes to CFFI and especially incudine
> (which is a real gamechanger) put me in a situation similar to what
> Bill describes concerning S7. But my use case is much more high level
> than what Bill needs (which might explain the difference of choices).
>
> --
> Orm
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