From iaingray at ednet.co.uk  Mon Oct  2 09:02:31 2017
From: iaingray at ednet.co.uk (Iain Gray)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2017 17:02:31 +0100
Subject: [CM] common music & fomus
Message-ID: <BDD7AB33-09C6-44E4-A4B4-598209F9D2AB@ednet.co.uk>

I use cm 3.10.0 under mac os 10.13 and am trying to output to lilypond but cannot find the referenced examples.

Iain


From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct  9 07:53:05 2017
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 07:53:05 -0700
Subject: [CM] snd svn at sourceforge
Message-ID: <69fd8fddcf445d30e4a9d92c0cc605eb@ccrma.stanford.edu>

sourceforge is ending its support of CVS, so (after screwing
up once or twice...) I have created what I think is a working
SVN repository there, accessible via:

svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/snd/svn1/trunk snd

(There's a broken snd/svn directory -- I don't know how to delete it,
but use svn1, and the cvs directory now has only historical interest).

Now to figure out how to commit updates...



From k.s.matheussen at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 13:08:10 2017
From: k.s.matheussen at gmail.com (Kjetil Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 22:08:10 +0200
Subject: [CM] [PD] snd
In-Reply-To: <1EB16F63-6D71-4913-AF35-B19E00FD8F8C@gmail.com>
References: <1EB16F63-6D71-4913-AF35-B19E00FD8F8C@gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Simon Iten <itensimon at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi list,
>
> is somebody on this list using snd regularly?
>
> i was looking at this image:
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spectrogram.png
>
> according to the file description it is done with snd.
>
> is this hard to do? hard as in: can i do this in a semi automated way to
> 12 files all about 12-15 mins long? (about 150mb each)
>
>
It's shouldn't be very hard. Start Snd, load a file, select the "f"
checkbox and unselect the "w" checkbox,
open the "Transform options" window and configure it to look the way you
want.
Finally you can create an eps file by selecting "Print" in the file menu.

To do exactly the same thing as you did last time, select "Save session"
from the
options menu, and the next time you can start snd like this:
"snd saved-session.scm".

There's also ways to automate this to process several files, although I'm
not sure
what the best way would be. (I imagine using sed to replace the filename in
saved-session.scm could be one way)

Also, it's probably better to ask on the mailing list. I've cc-ed the snd
mailing list.
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 10 13:41:33 2017
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 13:41:33 -0700
Subject: [CM] [PD] snd
In-Reply-To: <CAC6niEJzGQiFhjJT5XAx_cgzuZc5J+ezjvZhRFUwBpthD0oSXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAC6niEJzGQiFhjJT5XAx_cgzuZc5J+ezjvZhRFUwBpthD0oSXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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That looks like it's using openGL for the graph, so you need to build
Snd --with-gl --with-motif (it might also work in gtk).  Then as Kjetil
says, get the spectrum full-window, select spectrogram in the transform
options dialog, and gray in the color/orientation dialog; it looks like
they've set the y-axis angle to 130 and maybe used the spectrum-end
scale to cut out the highest frequencies.  Once you have the 
saved-snd.scm
file, you can wrap the file part in a for-each to handle all your files
in sequence.  I think they also set the "light-dark" scale to make it
darker.



From itensimon at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 14:19:36 2017
From: itensimon at gmail.com (Simon Iten)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2017 23:19:36 +0200
Subject: [CM] [PD] snd
In-Reply-To: <CAC6niEJzGQiFhjJT5XAx_cgzuZc5J+ezjvZhRFUwBpthD0oSXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1EB16F63-6D71-4913-AF35-B19E00FD8F8C@gmail.com>
	<CAC6niEJzGQiFhjJT5XAx_cgzuZc5J+ezjvZhRFUwBpthD0oSXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C249EF15-584F-4A05-A7BD-EC79A52DE016@gmail.com>

wow, thanks everybody for these answers. i will give this a shot!

simon

> On 10 Oct 2017, at 22:08, Kjetil Matheussen <k.s.matheussen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:30 PM, Simon Iten <itensimon at gmail.com <mailto:itensimon at gmail.com>> wrote:
> hi list,
> 
> is somebody on this list using snd regularly?
> 
> i was looking at this image:
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spectrogram.png <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Spectrogram.png>
> 
> according to the file description it is done with snd.
> 
> is this hard to do? hard as in: can i do this in a semi automated way to 12 files all about 12-15 mins long? (about 150mb each)
> 
> 
> It's shouldn't be very hard. Start Snd, load a file, select the "f" checkbox and unselect the "w" checkbox,
> open the "Transform options" window and configure it to look the way you want.
> Finally you can create an eps file by selecting "Print" in the file menu.
> 
> To do exactly the same thing as you did last time, select "Save session" from the
> options menu, and the next time you can start snd like this:
> "snd saved-session.scm".
> 
> There's also ways to automate this to process several files, although I'm not sure
> what the best way would be. (I imagine using sed to replace the filename in
> saved-session.scm could be one way)
> 
> Also, it's probably better to ask on the mailing list. I've cc-ed the snd mailing list.
> 
> 

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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 16 12:47:23 2017
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2017 12:47:23 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 17.8
Message-ID: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>

Snd 17.8:

Snd: moved from cvs to svn at sourceforge:
      svn checkout svn://svn.code.sf.net/p/snd/svn1/trunk snd

s7: added immutable!, immutable?
     define-constant follows normal lexical scoping rules now
     symbol-access renamed symbol-setter
     added optional third argument to the symbol-setter: the relevant 
environment
     deprecated s7_procedure_with_setter, s7_symbol_access
     renamed let-set!-fallback to let-set-fallback since I never remember 
the "!"
     renamed procedure-signature -> signature,
             procedure-documentation -> documentation,
             procedure-setter -> setter.
       these are all generic, so the "procedure" part is misleading, but
       unfortunately these new names collide with the previous 
function-local
       variables (for example, documentation accessed by 
procedure-documentation).
       Since those variables are normally constants, and since I can't 
think of
       anything better, they are now of the form +documentation+.

clm: removed *clm-default-frequency*; Mike fixed the Ruby and Forth 
cases.

checked: sbcl 1.4.0

Thanks!: Mike Scholz.



From tito.01beta at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 02:22:31 2017
From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 11:22:31 +0200
Subject: [CM] Snd 17.8
In-Reply-To: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>
References: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20171017092231.GA1704@rhk.Home>

Thanks.

Some files are missing from svn:

sh> LANG=en_US diff -urq snd-svn snd-17 |grep Only|grep -v snd-svn
Only in snd-17: clm.html
Only in snd-17: config.rpath
Only in snd-17: dlocsig.html
Only in snd-17: expr.scm
Only in snd-17: freeverb-readme.txt
Only in snd-17: freeverb.html
Only in snd-17: mkinstalldirs
Only in snd-17/pix: newbuttons.png
Only in snd-17/tools: tall.scm


From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 17 04:45:13 2017
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 04:45:13 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 17.8
In-Reply-To: <20171017092231.GA1704@rhk.Home>
References: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>
	<20171017092231.GA1704@rhk.Home>
Message-ID: <040ce20a1584fcc2c62090ae3bfb9273@ccrma.stanford.edu>

> Some files are missing from svn:
> sh> LANG=en_US diff -urq snd-svn snd-17 |grep Only|grep -v snd-svn
> Only in snd-17: clm.html
> Only in snd-17: config.rpath
> Only in snd-17: dlocsig.html
> Only in snd-17: expr.scm
> Only in snd-17: freeverb-readme.txt
> Only in snd-17: freeverb.html
> Only in snd-17: mkinstalldirs
> Only in snd-17/pix: newbuttons.png
> Only in snd-17/tools: tall.scm

Thanks very much for that list!  config.rpath looks like an auxilliary
file created by autoconf, mkinstalldirs got deleted during my
flailing around with the transition to svn (I forgot to restore it),
newbuttons.png is obsolete -- I should have removed it, clm.html
seems irrelevant -- I wonder why it was there at all.
expr.scm has code I don't recognize -- no idea why it's there.
The freeverb and dlocsig files refer to the Common Lisp versions
of those instruments; I should make versions that fit Snd!
I'll restore them in the meantime.  Lastly, tall.scm is a timing
test that I forgot.  Thanks again -- now I'm wondering if
mkinstalldirs is needed anymore -- back in the old days, makefiles
would create system directories -- seems like a bad idea now.
makefile.in currently uses that script if you include --install,
but that stuff is 20 years old.



From iaingray at ednet.co.uk  Tue Oct 17 05:09:10 2017
From: iaingray at ednet.co.uk (Iain Gray)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 13:09:10 +0100
Subject: [CM] cm and mac os 10.13
Message-ID: <5C0F7989-C417-4C50-9869-6925703253ED@ednet.co.uk>

On upgrading to Mac OS High Sierra my copy of Common Music 3.10 writes out in white on white on white. I know the code is still there as doing a Select All followed by evaluation performs as expected. i tried rebuilding from source but Make gives 15 errors like

/System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/Fonts.h:58:3: error: 
      unknown type name 'Point'
  Point               numer;
  ^

Any help would be appreciated,

Iain
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From tito.01beta at gmail.com  Tue Oct 17 06:35:14 2017
From: tito.01beta at gmail.com (Tito Latini)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 15:35:14 +0200
Subject: [CM] Snd 17.8
In-Reply-To: <040ce20a1584fcc2c62090ae3bfb9273@ccrma.stanford.edu>
References: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>
	<20171017092231.GA1704@rhk.Home>
	<040ce20a1584fcc2c62090ae3bfb9273@ccrma.stanford.edu>
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> test that I forgot.  Thanks again -- now I'm wondering if
> mkinstalldirs is needed anymore -- back in the old days, makefiles
> would create system directories -- seems like a bad idea now.
> makefile.in currently uses that script if you include --install,
> but that stuff is 20 years old.

Perhaps the `install' command from coreutils could replace mkinstalldirs.

I generally use `make install' with DESTDIR to create a local
Slackware package but I can change that script/habit without problems:

# from root
mkdir slack
make DESTDIR=$PWD/slack install
gzip -9 slack/usr/share/man/man1/snd.1
mkdir -p slack/usr/share/doc/snd
cp -r *.html pix slack/usr/share/doc/snd
cp -r HISTORY.Snd NEWS README.Snd sndins tools slack/usr/share/snd
cd slack
makepkg -l y -c n ../snd-17.8-x86_64-1.txz
upgradepkg ../snd-17.8-x86_64-1.txz


From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 17 10:25:00 2017
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:25:00 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 17.8
In-Reply-To: <20171017133513.GA1702@rhk.Home>
References: <5a4130a028cb4b34640f4e6b5ac242c8@ccrma.stanford.edu>
	<20171017092231.GA1704@rhk.Home>
	<040ce20a1584fcc2c62090ae3bfb9273@ccrma.stanford.edu>
	<20171017133513.GA1702@rhk.Home>
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> Perhaps the `install' command from coreutils could replace 
> mkinstalldirs.

That also appears to be the advice of the automake project,
but they say they'll continue to support mkinstalldirs.
I'll update to the latest version of that script, and
more recent versions of config.guess and config.sub.



From iaingray at ednet.co.uk  Thu Oct 19 08:56:53 2017
From: iaingray at ednet.co.uk (Iain Gray)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 16:56:53 +0100
Subject: [CM] cm and mac os 10.13
In-Reply-To: <bb65da58-4e6e-cd83-73c8-b92e30668abd@balcab.ch>
References: <5C0F7989-C417-4C50-9869-6925703253ED@ednet.co.uk>
	<bb65da58-4e6e-cd83-73c8-b92e30668abd@balcab.ch>
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thanks Michael,
Rick suggested suggested same to me 
but on downgrading to CM  3.9 it all works again
Iain

> On 18 Oct 2017, at 11:33, Michael Winkler <michael.winkler at balcab.ch> wrote:
> 
> Hi Iain,
> Quite a time ago, I had similar problems in Sierra. Rick then just told me to change the font size: this helped. Maybe it would help again on High Sierra. Dunno, just take a try. ;-)
> 
> All the best,
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> Am 17.10.17 um 14:09 schrieb Iain Gray:
>> On upgrading to Mac OS High Sierra my copy of Common Music 3.10 writes out in white on white on white. I know the code is still there as doing a Select All followed by evaluation performs as expected. i tried rebuilding from source but Make gives 15 errors like
>> 
>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/Fonts.h:58:3: error: 
>>       unknown type name 'Point'
>>   Point               numer;
>>   ^
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated,
>> 
>> Iain
>> 
>> 
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From taube at illinois.edu  Thu Oct 19 11:07:28 2017
From: taube at illinois.edu (Taube, Heinrich K)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2017 18:07:28 +0000
Subject: [CM] cm and mac os 10.13
In-Reply-To: <FAA2BC40-52B3-4326-ADC1-3372D3A871D8@ednet.co.uk>
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my problem is im on 10.12 I dont have this particular problem on my machine and im really reluctant to upgrade, so Im not sure how I can debug it.
it looks like at least one of the problem is in fonts, which might explain the white on white business.  perhaps there is some issue with JUCE on 10.13, I haven?t looked to see if they have listed any issues there.

maybe you could send a list of all the errors?

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Iain Gray <iaingray at ednet.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> thanks Michael,
> Rick suggested suggested same to me 
> but on downgrading to CM  3.9 it all works again
> Iain
> 
>> On 18 Oct 2017, at 11:33, Michael Winkler <michael.winkler at balcab.ch> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Iain,
>> Quite a time ago, I had similar problems in Sierra. Rick then just told me to change the font size: this helped. Maybe it would help again on High Sierra. Dunno, just take a try. ;-)
>> 
>> All the best,
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 17.10.17 um 14:09 schrieb Iain Gray:
>>> On upgrading to Mac OS High Sierra my copy of Common Music 3.10 writes out in white on white on white. I know the code is still there as doing a Select All followed by evaluation performs as expected. i tried rebuilding from source but Make gives 15 errors like
>>> 
>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Frameworks/QD.framework/Headers/Fonts.h:58:3: error: 
>>>       unknown type name 'Point'
>>>   Point               numer;
>>>   ^
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated,
>>> 
>>> Iain
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>> 
>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>> https://cm-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
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