From fr_andres at msn.com  Wed May 14 11:13:52 2014
From: fr_andres at msn.com (=?utf-8?b?QW5kcsOpcw==?= =?utf-8?b?RmVybsOhbmRleg==?=)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 18:13:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [CM] Fomus on Ubuntu
References: <1291565495.1766.4.camel@jwmatthys-vaio>
	<1291652964.3397.18.camel@fred>
Message-ID: <loom.20140514T201337-101@post.gmane.org>

David Psenicka <dpsenick at ...> writes:

> 
> 
> Is libfomus.so in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib?? Grace looks for libfomus.so
in the following places on Linux:
> the path specified when Grace is compiled
> the directories in the system library path
> /usr/local/lib? (Ubuntu doesn't seem to recognize this directory as a
system library directory by default, but Grace still looks in there)
> /usr/lib
> If you type `fomus -O' at the command line and it spits out a list of
names and descriptions, then the fomus library itself is installed properly
and should be working correctly (the fomus executable needs to be in your path).
> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 11:11 -0500, Joel Matthys wrote:
>     I can't get FOMUS to work with the new Grace on Ubuntu 10.04.
>     When I open the example file and try to evaluate the first example, I get
>     >>> Error: Fomus: can't find FOMUS library
>     >>> Error: don't know how to open "fomus.ly" 
> 
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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to install from source Common Music 3.9 on my Ubuntu 14.04.
I have succesfully installed the release 3.8 from this webpage, as a
standalone binary:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/comm...u.zip/download
it works perfectly, but it doesn't recognice my FOMUS libraries. I also get
this error when trying to export:

>>> Error: Fomus: can't find FOMUS library
>>> Error: don't know how to open "fomus.ly"

I managed to compile FOMUS, install it and test it from the terminal; it
seems to work fine so that may not be the problem.
I have also checked that libfomus.so file is in /usr/lib.

So compiling Grace 3.9 from source might be the solution...
I downloaded the tarball from the official webpage:
http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/

and followed the respective instructions:
http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/cm/readme.text

It didn't work: make returns this error:

juce/modules/juce_gui_basics/juce_gui_basics.cpp:127:35: fatal error:
X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h: No such file or directory
#include <X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h>
^

I grepped for include, Xcursor, etc... and no answer. I don't know where to
look to fix this issue, but, as suggested in this solved post
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1281658
it might be a problem from "premake": User mjerting suggests to "use Premake
3.7, NOT Premake4.".

I couldn't trick the premake4.lua file to work with premake 3.7, and I'm not
confident that i'm gonna get it on the short term, or at all...
So my question is

-How can it be posible to make it work with premake3?
-Do I have missing libraries?
-Maybe getting an older version in order to get the FOMUS libraries working?
-Do I miss any stupid button, or some other solution?

I really appreciate your help, I study composition and am really noob in
such themes.
Thanks in advance and best regards
Andres 



From jwmatthys at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 12:36:52 2014
From: jwmatthys at yahoo.com (Joel Matthys)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 14:36:52 -0500
Subject: [CM] Fomus on Ubuntu
In-Reply-To: <loom.20140514T201337-101@post.gmane.org>
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	<loom.20140514T201337-101@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5373C5D4.90604@yahoo.com>

Hello Andr?s.

1. Yes, in order to use FOMUS you must compile from source.
2. You must use premake4. In fact I believe you must have premake4.4, 
not premake4.3
3. Your error message indicates that you are missing libraries. 
Xcursor.h is in libxcursor-dev, but I suspect you need to install 
xorg-dev and it will carry all of these supporting libraries with it.
A good way to figure out missing libraries is to install apt-file:
   sudo apt-get install apt-file
   apt-file update
   apt-file find Xcursor.h

Good luck!
Joel

On 05/14/2014 01:13 PM, Andr?sFern?ndez wrote:
> David Psenicka <dpsenick at ...> writes:
>
>>
>> Is libfomus.so in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib?  Grace looks for libfomus.so
> in the following places on Linux:
>> the path specified when Grace is compiled
>> the directories in the system library path
>> /usr/local/lib  (Ubuntu doesn't seem to recognize this directory as a
> system library directory by default, but Grace still looks in there)
>> /usr/lib
>> If you type `fomus -O' at the command line and it spits out a list of
> names and descriptions, then the fomus library itself is installed properly
> and should be working correctly (the fomus executable needs to be in your path).
>> On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 11:11 -0500, Joel Matthys wrote:
>>      I can't get FOMUS to work with the new Grace on Ubuntu 10.04.
>>      When I open the example file and try to evaluate the first example, I get
>>      >>> Error: Fomus: can't find FOMUS library
>>      >>> Error: don't know how to open "fomus.ly"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ...
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm trying to install from source Common Music 3.9 on my Ubuntu 14.04.
> I have succesfully installed the release 3.8 from this webpage, as a
> standalone binary:
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/comm...u.zip/download
> it works perfectly, but it doesn't recognice my FOMUS libraries. I also get
> this error when trying to export:
>
>>>> Error: Fomus: can't find FOMUS library
>>>> Error: don't know how to open "fomus.ly"
> I managed to compile FOMUS, install it and test it from the terminal; it
> seems to work fine so that may not be the problem.
> I have also checked that libfomus.so file is in /usr/lib.
>
> So compiling Grace 3.9 from source might be the solution...
> I downloaded the tarball from the official webpage:
> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/
>
> and followed the respective instructions:
> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/cm/readme.text
>
> It didn't work: make returns this error:
>
> juce/modules/juce_gui_basics/juce_gui_basics.cpp:127:35: fatal error:
> X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h: No such file or directory
> #include <X11/Xcursor/Xcursor.h>
> ^
>
> I grepped for include, Xcursor, etc... and no answer. I don't know where to
> look to fix this issue, but, as suggested in this solved post
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1281658
> it might be a problem from "premake": User mjerting suggests to "use Premake
> 3.7, NOT Premake4.".
>
> I couldn't trick the premake4.lua file to work with premake 3.7, and I'm not
> confident that i'm gonna get it on the short term, or at all...
> So my question is
>
> -How can it be posible to make it work with premake3?
> -Do I have missing libraries?
> -Maybe getting an older version in order to get the FOMUS libraries working?
> -Do I miss any stupid button, or some other solution?
>
> I really appreciate your help, I study composition and am really noob in
> such themes.
> Thanks in advance and best regards
> Andres
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From pierre-marie.lepage at orange.fr  Sun May 18 14:23:54 2014
From: pierre-marie.lepage at orange.fr (Pierre-Marie Lepage)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 23:23:54 +0200
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Bonsoir ? tous,

Y-a-t-il des francophones dans la liste qui pourraient m?aider ? d?buter
dans l?apprentissage  de grace ?

Merci.

Piouite Lavion

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From rbastian at free.fr  Sun May 18 23:48:03 2014
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 08:48:03 +0200
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On Sun, 18 May 2014 23:23:54 +0200
"Pierre-Marie Lepage" <pierre-marie.lepage at orange.fr> wrote:

> Bonsoir ? tous,
> 
> Y-a-t-il des francophones dans la liste qui pourraient m?aider ?
> d?buter dans l?apprentissage  de grace ?
> 
ouijasiyes

> Merci.
> 
> Piouite Lavion
> 




From piouite.lavion at gmail.com  Mon May 19 14:53:42 2014
From: piouite.lavion at gmail.com (Piouite Lavion)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 23:53:42 +0200
Subject: [CM] Cmdist Digest, Vol 73, Issue 2
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Merci!


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On Sun, 18 May 2014 23:23:54 +0200
"Pierre-Marie Lepage" <pierre-marie.lepage at orange.fr> wrote:

> Bonsoir ? tous,
> 
> Y-a-t-il des francophones dans la liste qui pourraient m?aider ?
> d?buter dans l?apprentissage  de grace ?
> 
ouijasiyes

> Merci.
> 
> Piouite Lavion
> 




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From piouite.lavion at gmail.com  Mon May 19 14:54:30 2014
From: piouite.lavion at gmail.com (Piouite Lavion)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 23:54:30 +0200
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> Bonsoir ? tous,
> 
> Y-a-t-il des francophones dans la liste qui pourraient m?aider ?
> d?buter dans l?apprentissage  de grace ?
> 
ouijasiyes

> Merci.
> 
> Piouite Lavion
> 




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From phiroc at free.fr  Tue May 20 04:57:45 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 13:57:45 +0200
Subject: [CM] Creating layers
Message-ID: <DB0931D6-4442-4F69-87F6-403A68131F68@free.fr>

Hello,

is it possible to create layers in CM?

I would like to create 

- a layer containing MIDI notes

- another layer containing metronome-like ticks to mark time

Many thanks.

Philippe






From phiroc at free.fr  Tue May 20 04:59:29 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 13:59:29 +0200
Subject: [CM] Can't save new files
Message-ID: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>

Hello,

I can?t create new sal files in Grace 3.9 for Mac (lisp files only) and lisp files can?t be saved.

Is this a known bug?

Many thanks.

Philippe



From taube at illinois.edu  Tue May 20 05:28:02 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 07:28:02 -0500
Subject: [CM] Can't save new files
In-Reply-To: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>
References: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>
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Hello Philippe this hasnt happened to me but i think someone else contacted me about it 

to see if its the same issue, try this:

1.	In the File menu , select  "Set Working Directory?"
2.  	In the dialog window that opens, select a directory, for example your desktop or home directory 
3.    Then create a new edit window, add some text and try to save it.  

tell me if this works.

If this fixes it, I think this may have to do with the "hygenic sandbox" that apple wrap all app store apps in.   I must need to set the working directory differently when the app starts up, but I haven had any time at all in the last 2 months to look into it, ill have some time in mid june when I can try to figure it out.




in the 
On May 20, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I can?t create new sal files in Grace 3.9 for Mac (lisp files only) and lisp files can?t be saved.
> 
> Is this a known bug?
> 
> Many thanks.
> 
> Philippe
> 
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From phiroc at free.fr  Tue May 20 05:44:19 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 14:44:19 +0200
Subject: [CM] Can't save new files
In-Reply-To: <021BA94C-F193-41DC-82E4-0C43E10A7213@illinois.edu>
References: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>
	<021BA94C-F193-41DC-82E4-0C43E10A7213@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <441BF106-C9A5-4ACB-8413-07441CC5463E@free.fr>


Hi Heinrich,

setting the Working Directory did the trick.

Many thanks.

Philippe



Le 20 mai 2014 ? 14:28, Heinrich Taube <taube at illinois.edu> a ?crit :

> Hello Philippe this hasnt happened to me but i think someone else contacted me about it 
> 
> to see if its the same issue, try this:
> 
> 1.	In the File menu , select  "Set Working Directory?"
> 2.  	In the dialog window that opens, select a directory, for example your desktop or home directory 
> 3.    Then create a new edit window, add some text and try to save it.  
> 
> tell me if this works.
> 
> If this fixes it, I think this may have to do with the "hygenic sandbox" that apple wrap all app store apps in.   I must need to set the working directory differently when the app starts up, but I haven had any time at all in the last 2 months to look into it, ill have some time in mid june when I can try to figure it out.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> in the 
> On May 20, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I can?t create new sal files in Grace 3.9 for Mac (lisp files only) and lisp files can?t be saved.
>> 
>> Is this a known bug?
>> 
>> Many thanks.
>> 
>> Philippe
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
> 




From taube at illinois.edu  Tue May 20 06:07:23 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 08:07:23 -0500
Subject: [CM] Can't save new files
In-Reply-To: <441BF106-C9A5-4ACB-8413-07441CC5463E@free.fr>
References: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>
	<021BA94C-F193-41DC-82E4-0C43E10A7213@illinois.edu>
	<441BF106-C9A5-4ACB-8413-07441CC5463E@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4BB9658D-DC3A-4373-A2C4-09CED31BB07A@illinois.edu>

On May 20, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:

> Hi Heinrich,
> setting the Working Directory did the trick.
> Many thanks.
> Philippe

Terrific, ill try to figure out how to fix this as soon as i have some time!

about the midi tracks, there are a few ways you could create 'tracks' of data...

the most obvious would be to simply use your Mac's 'IAC Application Bus' to send your midi output  to an app like Logic or Garage Band, then use that apps to edit the sequence(s) however you want.  To do this set your your Midi Out port in Grace to your Mac's "IAC Application Bus" , then inside  Logic or Garage Band set its input port to "IAC Application Bus". You can send your midi data to sibelius or Finale (or any other app you want) using the same mechanism.


another way to create 'tracks'  of midi information would be to simply compute lists of midi data, where each list represents a track:

; create a function that makes packets of midi data

(define  (mymidi time dur keyn amp chan)
  (list time dur keyn amp chan))

; now compute a track of midi data...

(define mytrack1
  (loop repeat 100
        for rhy = (pick .2 .4 .8)
        for start = 0 then (+ start rhy)
        collect (mymidi start rhy (between 30 90) .5 0)))


once you have 'tracks' of data you can output them to midi files, or graph them in a plot window, whatever




> 
> 
> 
> Le 20 mai 2014 ? 14:28, Heinrich Taube <taube at illinois.edu> a ?crit :
> 
>> Hello Philippe this hasnt happened to me but i think someone else contacted me about it 
>> 
>> to see if its the same issue, try this:
>> 
>> 1.	In the File menu , select  "Set Working Directory?"
>> 2.  	In the dialog window that opens, select a directory, for example your desktop or home directory 
>> 3.    Then create a new edit window, add some text and try to save it.  
>> 
>> tell me if this works.
>> 
>> If this fixes it, I think this may have to do with the "hygenic sandbox" that apple wrap all app store apps in.   I must need to set the working directory differently when the app starts up, but I haven had any time at all in the last 2 months to look into it, ill have some time in mid june when I can try to figure it out.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> in the 
>> On May 20, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I can?t create new sal files in Grace 3.9 for Mac (lisp files only) and lisp files can?t be saved.
>>> 
>>> Is this a known bug?
>>> 
>>> Many thanks.
>>> 
>>> Philippe
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cmdist mailing list
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From phiroc at free.fr  Tue May 20 06:32:54 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 15:32:54 +0200
Subject: [CM] Can't save new files
In-Reply-To: <4BB9658D-DC3A-4373-A2C4-09CED31BB07A@illinois.edu>
References: <BC71F04A-E409-4877-9922-34735AEE8D0F@free.fr>
	<021BA94C-F193-41DC-82E4-0C43E10A7213@illinois.edu>
	<441BF106-C9A5-4ACB-8413-07441CC5463E@free.fr>
	<4BB9658D-DC3A-4373-A2C4-09CED31BB07A@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <171704C8-8B78-47A8-89B2-684C1D79BF44@free.fr>


Hi Heinrich,

Here?s how I have been doing it so far.

What I am trying it to is is to play a bf4 for a beat and a half (assuming there are 60 beats/minute), a c5 for 1/2 a beat, while playing ? metro[nome] ? beats every second.

The problem with this approach is that it is hard to keep track of aggregated time (time 0 + 1.5 second + 0.5 second rest = 2 seconds, which means that the second piano note should start at time 2, etc.)

I will trying rewriting my code using a loop and lists, using a variable to compute aggregated time.

Philippe

-----------------

mp:instruments(1, 77)

begin
  ; time, dur, key, amp, chan
  ; g4 -> bf4
  mp:midi(key: keynum("bf4"), chan: 0, dur: 1.5, time: 0) 
  ; metro
  mp:midi(key: keynum("c0"), chan: 1, dur: 1, time: 0) 
  ; a4 -> c5
  mp:midi(key: keynum("c5"), chan: 0, dur: .5, time: 2)
  ; metro
  mp:midi(key: keynum("c0"), chan: 1, dur: 1, time: 1) 

end 



Le 20 mai 2014 ? 15:07, Heinrich Taube <taube at illinois.edu> a ?crit :

> On May 20, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Heinrich,
>> setting the Working Directory did the trick.
>> Many thanks.
>> Philippe
> 
> Terrific, ill try to figure out how to fix this as soon as i have some time!
> 
> about the midi tracks, there are a few ways you could create 'tracks' of data...
> 
> the most obvious would be to simply use your Mac's 'IAC Application Bus' to send your midi output  to an app like Logic or Garage Band, then use that apps to edit the sequence(s) however you want.  To do this set your your Midi Out port in Grace to your Mac's "IAC Application Bus" , then inside  Logic or Garage Band set its input port to "IAC Application Bus". You can send your midi data to sibelius or Finale (or any other app you want) using the same mechanism.
> 
> 
> another way to create 'tracks'  of midi information would be to simply compute lists of midi data, where each list represents a track:
> 
> ; create a function that makes packets of midi data
> 
> (define  (mymidi time dur keyn amp chan)
>  (list time dur keyn amp chan))
> 
> ; now compute a track of midi data...
> 
> (define mytrack1
>  (loop repeat 100
>        for rhy = (pick .2 .4 .8)
>        for start = 0 then (+ start rhy)
>        collect (mymidi start rhy (between 30 90) .5 0)))
> 
> 
> once you have 'tracks' of data you can output them to midi files, or graph them in a plot window, whatever
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 20 mai 2014 ? 14:28, Heinrich Taube <taube at illinois.edu> a ?crit :
>> 
>>> Hello Philippe this hasnt happened to me but i think someone else contacted me about it 
>>> 
>>> to see if its the same issue, try this:
>>> 
>>> 1.	In the File menu , select  "Set Working Directory?"
>>> 2.  	In the dialog window that opens, select a directory, for example your desktop or home directory 
>>> 3.    Then create a new edit window, add some text and try to save it.  
>>> 
>>> tell me if this works.
>>> 
>>> If this fixes it, I think this may have to do with the "hygenic sandbox" that apple wrap all app store apps in.   I must need to set the working directory differently when the app starts up, but I haven had any time at all in the last 2 months to look into it, ill have some time in mid june when I can try to figure it out.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> in the 
>>> On May 20, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> I can?t create new sal files in Grace 3.9 for Mac (lisp files only) and lisp files can?t be saved.
>>>> 
>>>> Is this a known bug?
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> Philippe
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>> 
>> 
> 




From johannes.quint at web.de  Wed May 21 23:51:26 2014
From: johannes.quint at web.de (Johannes Quint)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 08:51:26 +0200
Subject: [CM] grace with fomus on linux
Message-ID: <CC15FE18-C815-4A46-9ABA-B11D80736F12@web.de>

rick,
a student of mine is working on a project trying to reconstruct debussys style in cm-patches.
now he has problems with fomus. he is on linux (ubuntu14) and i've no experiences with it, maybe you can help...
he can use fomus from terminal AND he was able to compile cm/grace including "---with fomus".

but after (sprout .... "ly/fomus.ly"), he gets:

>>> Error: don't know how to open "ly/fomus.ly"
open-file: (error "don't know how to open ~S" ... ; str: "ly/fomus.ly"
open-file: ((ffi_sched_set_score_mode mode) mode) ; mode: 0
sprout: ((if *sprout-hook* (*sprout-hook* file... ; file: "ly/fomus.ly"
                                                   ; start: 0, id: 0
                                                   ; startBeat: 0

grace doesn't display "FOMUS ..." after launching, so he supposes that there is a something wrong on the premake-script.
i attach it - maybe usefull.
thanks for help!

johannes

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From david.lowenfels at gmail.com  Thu May 22 23:42:15 2014
From: david.lowenfels at gmail.com (David Lowenfels)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 23:42:15 -0700
Subject: [CM] compiling on OS X?
Message-ID: <396614A4-F97E-43B6-95F6-48ED91CFABE2@gmail.com>

Hello,
  I was a CCRMA MST ?03 grad and haven?t used snd for some years. I would like to compile it on my OSX 10.9.3.
I use the homebrew package manager to install the dependencies like fftw and gtk.

The configure tool does not seem to recognize my gtk, nor my ruby (installed with rvm)

Any advice? I flipped through the archives, but did not find an easy way to search so did not find a revenant thread yet.

Thanks,
David

dfl at cosminyah ~/snd/snd-14.6 $ ./configure --with-gtk --with-ruby --with-portaudio
checking build system type... x86_64-apple-darwin13.2.0
checking host system type... x86_64-apple-darwin13.2.0
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /usr/bin/grep
checking for egrep... /usr/bin/grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... no
checking size of void *... 8
checking for pkg-config... /usr/local/bin/pkg-config
checking for fftw3... yes
checking for gsl... no
checking for oggdec... no
checking for oggenc... no
checking for mpg123... no
checking for mpg321... no
checking for speexdec... no
checking for speexenc... no
checking for flac... /usr/local/bin/flac
checking for timidity... no
checking for ttaenc... no
checking for wavpack... no
checking for wvunpack... no
checking for audio system... portaudio
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating makefile
config.status: creating mus-config.h
config.status: mus-config.h is unchanged

  Options selected
  -------------------------
  Snd version ...........: 14.6
  CFLAGS ................: -O2 -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include
  LDFLAGS ...............:-L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib
  LIBS...................: 
  prefix.................: /usr/local
  extension language.....: s7
  audio system...........: portaudio
  graphics toolkit.......: None
  optional libraries.....: fftw3
  random features........:
  environs...............: x86_64-apple-darwin13.2.0 gcc 
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri May 23 07:46:54 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 07:46:54 -0700
Subject: [CM] compiling on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <396614A4-F97E-43B6-95F6-48ED91CFABE2@gmail.com>
References: <396614A4-F97E-43B6-95F6-48ED91CFABE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140523144146.M78614@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

How did you get gtk?  I haven't had any luck with it in OSX
for a long time.  The Snd configure script uses pkg-config
to find ruby and gtk, so 

pkg-config gtk+-3.0 --cflags

and something similar with ruby should give some info
as to what went wrong.  There's an environment variable
PKG_CONFIG_PATH that sets where pkg-config looks.
Also, there's a longstanding problem with Ruby (that
I reported a long time ago but got no response), so if
ruby.pc is missing, Mike Scholz provided a script to
create it:

make-config-pc.rb > ruby.pc



From taube at illinois.edu  Fri May 23 09:39:28 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:39:28 -0500
Subject: [CM] grace with fomus on linux
In-Reply-To: <CC15FE18-C815-4A46-9ABA-B11D80736F12@web.de>
References: <CC15FE18-C815-4A46-9ABA-B11D80736F12@web.de>
Message-ID: <4CD20190-4605-4CB7-9DD2-9FEFF71D1EC4@illinois.edu>

Hi johannes! i doubt it has to do with the premake, if the sources were not found then premake would have given you an error

Have your student do this

premake4 cleanall
premake4 ? --with-fomus="whatever"
make verbose=1

then look at the compiler messages to make sure theta the fomus support is being compiled and that the program links to it. it might be that there is a problem loading the fomus library itself, which would also mean that "FOMUS?" would not be displayed at startup.

On May 22, 2014, at 1:51 AM, Johannes Quint <johannes.quint at web.de> wrote:

> rick,
> a student of mine is working on a project trying to reconstruct debussys style in cm-patches.
> now he has problems with fomus. he is on linux (ubuntu14) and i've no experiences with it, maybe you can help...
> he can use fomus from terminal AND he was able to compile cm/grace including "---with fomus".
> 
> but after (sprout .... "ly/fomus.ly"), he gets:
> 
> >>> Error: don't know how to open "ly/fomus.ly"
> open-file: (error "don't know how to open ~S" ... ; str: "ly/fomus.ly"
> open-file: ((ffi_sched_set_score_mode mode) mode) ; mode: 0
> sprout: ((if *sprout-hook* (*sprout-hook* file... ; file: "ly/fomus.ly"
>                                                    ; start: 0, id: 0
>                                                    ; startBeat: 0
> 
> grace doesn't display "FOMUS ..." after launching, so he supposes that there is a something wrong on the premake-script.
> i attach it - maybe usefull.
> thanks for help!
> 
> johannes
> 
> <premake4.lua>




From fr_andres at msn.com  Fri May 23 12:28:13 2014
From: fr_andres at msn.com (=?utf-8?B?QW5kcsOpcyBGZXJuw6FuZGV6IFJvZHLDrWd1ZXo=?=)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 19:28:13 +0000
Subject: [CM] grace with fomus on linux
In-Reply-To: <4CD20190-4605-4CB7-9DD2-9FEFF71D1EC4@illinois.edu>
References: <CC15FE18-C815-4A46-9ABA-B11D80736F12@web.de>,
	<4CD20190-4605-4CB7-9DD2-9FEFF71D1EC4@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <DUB131-W9CA43AD68102139C2D2CC813E0@phx.gbl>

Dear Mr. Taube,

Thank you very much for your fast response. The problem was indeed that Grace.make didn't find the "fomus.a" file (although i had copies everywhere ?).
The reason is that I messed too much with the premake file: I had added the line "links({"/usr/lib/libfomus.a"})", and also uncommented the "linkoptions({"-v"})",
which was blocking gcc to find it... apologies for that. After removing those it compiled everything and now the fomus frontend works perfectly.
Thanks for your help, and for your wonderful work!
Andres

> Subject: Re: grace with fomus on linux
> From: taube at illinois.edu
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:39:28 -0500
> CC: fr_andres at msn.com; cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> To: johannes.quint at web.de
> 
> Hi johannes! i doubt it has to do with the premake, if the sources were not found then premake would have given you an error
> 
> Have your student do this
> 
> premake4 cleanall
> premake4 ? --with-fomus="whatever"
> make verbose=1
> 
> then look at the compiler messages to make sure theta the fomus support is being compiled and that the program links to it. it might be that there is a problem loading the fomus library itself, which would also mean that "FOMUS?" would not be displayed at startup.
> 
> On May 22, 2014, at 1:51 AM, Johannes Quint <johannes.quint at web.de> wrote:
> 
> > rick,
> > a student of mine is working on a project trying to reconstruct debussys style in cm-patches.
> > now he has problems with fomus. he is on linux (ubuntu14) and i've no experiences with it, maybe you can help...
> > he can use fomus from terminal AND he was able to compile cm/grace including "---with fomus".
> > 
> > but after (sprout .... "ly/fomus.ly"), he gets:
> > 
> > >>> Error: don't know how to open "ly/fomus.ly"
> > open-file: (error "don't know how to open ~S" ... ; str: "ly/fomus.ly"
> > open-file: ((ffi_sched_set_score_mode mode) mode) ; mode: 0
> > sprout: ((if *sprout-hook* (*sprout-hook* file... ; file: "ly/fomus.ly"
> >                                                    ; start: 0, id: 0
> >                                                    ; startBeat: 0
> > 
> > grace doesn't display "FOMUS ..." after launching, so he supposes that there is a something wrong on the premake-script.
> > i attach it - maybe usefull.
> > thanks for help!
> > 
> > johannes
> > 
> > <premake4.lua>
> 
 		 	   		  
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From david.lowenfels at gmail.com  Fri May 23 17:39:09 2014
From: david.lowenfels at gmail.com (David Lowenfels)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:39:09 -0700
Subject: [CM] compiling on OS X?
In-Reply-To: <20140523144146.M78614@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <396614A4-F97E-43B6-95F6-48ED91CFABE2@gmail.com>
	<20140523144146.M78614@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <C8704F79-8717-42DF-BDDB-482443F49365@gmail.com>

gtk+ is installed via homebrew (http://brew.sh)

I had to patch make-config-pc.rb to include -L#{CONFIG[?libdir?]}

$ diff tools/make-config-pc.rb tools/make-config-pc.new.rb 
21a22
> rubylibdir = CONFIG["libdir"]
29c30
< Libs: #{dldflags} #{librubyarg} #{libs} 
---
> Libs: -L#{rubylibdir} #{dldflags} #{librubyarg} #{libs} 

then this did the trick:

$ ruby tools/make-config-pc.rb > ruby.pc
$ PKG_CONFIG_PATH=.:/opt/X11/lib/pkgconfig/ ./configure --with-gtk --with-ruby --with-portaudio
$ make install

success! :)

next step would be for me to create a homebrew formula to automate installation for other people:
https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/wiki/Formula-Cookbook

thanks for your help.

-David

On May 23, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

> How did you get gtk?  I haven't had any luck with it in OSX
> for a long time.  The Snd configure script uses pkg-config
> to find ruby and gtk, so 
> 
> pkg-config gtk+-3.0 --cflags
> 
> and something similar with ruby should give some info
> as to what went wrong.  There's an environment variable
> PKG_CONFIG_PATH that sets where pkg-config looks.
> Also, there's a longstanding problem with Ruby (that
> I reported a long time ago but got no response), so if
> ruby.pc is missing, Mike Scholz provided a script to
> create it:
> 
> make-config-pc.rb > ruby.pc
> 

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From phiroc at free.fr  Mon May 26 23:07:41 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (Philippe de Rochambeau)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 08:07:41 +0200
Subject: [CM] Several questions
Message-ID: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>

Hello,

I have several questions regarding CM/Grace:

- when should you used SAL and when should you use Scheme? Although SAL seems to be the official CM programming language,
most examples are in Scheme. I personally prefer C-like languages, but it is sometimes difficult to convert Scheme to SAL and vice-versa.

- what?s the equivalent of 'with-sound' in SAL? 'with-sound() do stochastic(0, 1, 440, .1)?, for example? I have tried the latter command,
but it silently returns an empty list.

- is there a way to display the snd editor in Grace, other than using the with-sound command?

- is there a sndlib tutorial, [other than the manual (https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/sndscm.html#withsound) which is not too newbie-friendly]?

- is there a way to set the Grace Working Directory once and for all? Grace for Mac keeps forgetting that directory. I have noticed a menu item
to set the Init File, but what should you put in that file?

- why were objects abandoned in CM3?

Many thanks.

Philippe




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue May 27 07:38:59 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 07:38:59 -0700
Subject: [CM] Several questions
In-Reply-To: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>
References: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20140527143730.M1276@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> is there a sndlib tutorial

The introduction to sndclm.html is a start toward one, but what kind of
background or interest should a tutorial assume?  My impression is
that only a handful of people worldwide actually write instruments.




From phiroc at free.fr  Tue May 27 08:16:32 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (phiroc at free.fr)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 17:16:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Several questions
In-Reply-To: <20140527143730.M1276@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <792430605.11981948.1401203792435.JavaMail.root@zimbra65-e11.priv.proxad.net>


Hi,

I am not sure about other people, but I am looking for a tutorial which will
help me understand sound synthesis enough to be able to use apps on the iPad
such as Nave and NanoStudio [lots of dials, but I am sure how to use most of them].
For instance, I would like to know what wavetables are
and how to manipulate them. 

Furthermore, a sndlib tutorial might be an alternative to tutorials
such as the ones you can currently find on CSound or PD on the Internet or in books (eg, "Designing Sound").

Philippe

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De: "Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
?: "Philippe de Rochambeau" <phiroc at free.fr>, cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
Envoy?: Mardi 27 Mai 2014 16:38:59
Objet: Re: [CM] Several questions

> is there a sndlib tutorial

The introduction to sndclm.html is a start toward one, but what kind of
background or interest should a tutorial assume?  My impression is
that only a handful of people worldwide actually write instruments.





From taube at illinois.edu  Tue May 27 08:10:12 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 10:10:12 -0500
Subject: [CM] Several questions
In-Reply-To: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>
References: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>
Message-ID: <FB3274E6-186B-49F7-8EE8-AE353E41BC0B@illinois.edu>


On May 27, 2014, at 1:07 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have several questions regarding CM/Grace:
> 
> - when should you used SAL and when should you use Scheme? Although SAL seems to be the official CM programming language,
> most examples are in Scheme. I personally prefer C-like languages, but it is sometimes difficult to convert Scheme to SAL and vice-versa.

they really are almost equivalent. I implemented SAL because prefix notation (log (+ 2 3(* 2 3))) got in the way of musicians learning how to program. You can use whichever you feel most comfortable with. Sal is sort of like Lua and uses infix:   log( 2 + 3 + 2 * 3)



> - what?s the equivalent of 'with-sound' in SAL? 'with-sound() do stochastic(0, 1, 440, .1)?, for example? I have tried the latter command,
> but it silently returns an empty list.

its called file:

load("v.ins")

file "foo.wav" (srate: 22050, chans: 1)
  loop for i to 10
	fm-violin(.5 * i, 1, between(55, 880), .1)
  end
end



> 
> - is there a way to display the snd editor in Grace, other than using the with-sound command?

??

> 
> - is there a sndlib tutorial, [other than the manual (https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/sndscm.html#withsound) which is not too newbie-friendly]?

there are both Sal and Scheme examples in Grace's Help menu. note that if you want to define your own instruments right away that would tip the scale in favor of learning Scheme right off the bat.

> 
> - is there a way to set the Grace Working Directory once and for all? Grace for Mac keeps forgetting that directory. I have noticed a menu item
> to set the Init File, but what should you put in that file?

THe working directory is sticky so it should stay wherever you set it. if this is not happening then its a bug (are you on a mac??)


> - why were objects abandoned in CM3?

they weren't abandoned, there just aren't objects in S7. If I had infinite time Id port stklos or goops  to s7 and then i could integrate CM2 and CM3 back together in one app, which to me would be optimal. after all ,cm2 is actually written in scheme, not common lisp, so there's no inherent reason both code bases can be one system.



> Many thanks.
> 
> Philippe
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue May 27 08:51:13 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 08:51:13 -0700
Subject: [CM] Several questions
In-Reply-To: <FB3274E6-186B-49F7-8EE8-AE353E41BC0B@illinois.edu>
References: <FF558613-722E-4453-8504-A76F9E328313@free.fr>
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> they weren't abandoned, there just aren't objects in S7. 

I think you can use environments as objects -- I used them
for that and for defstruct -- see define-class and friends
in s7.html or stuff.scm.  I think this way of doing objects
can handle anything like CLOS or goops, but I haven't
actually done it.  If I ever get around to porting CMN
to Scheme, I'd probably start with CLOS, but who reads
music anymore?  (I am an old grouch this morning).



From dlphillips at woh.rr.com  Tue May 27 09:45:28 2014
From: dlphillips at woh.rr.com (Dave Phillips)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 12:45:28 -0400
Subject: [CM] Several questions
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On 05/27/2014 11:51 AM, Bill Schottstaedt wrote:

> If I ever get around to porting CMN to Scheme, I'd probably start with 
> CLOS, but who reads music anymore? (I am an old grouch this morning).

Hi Bill !

It seems that reading and preparing scores is still en vogue in certain 
circles.

Incipitsify's channel:

     https://www.youtube.com/user/incipitsify

Score Follower's channel:

     https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsCyncBPEzI6pb_pmALJ9Tw

Some other channels include scores, some with tracking cursors, all very 
nice for study purposes.

Best,

dp



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue May 27 09:48:17 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 09:48:17 -0700
Subject: [CM] Several questions
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> am not sure about other people, but I am looking for a tutorial which will 
> help me understand sound synthesis

I think there are books available that fill this need: maybe the MIT press
collections, or Dodge and Jerse?  (I can't actually remember the latter,
but we once used it here at CCRMA).  CLM is trying to fill the same needs
as CSound (leaving aside real-time work of course), so the synthesis 
ideas are the same.  Perhaps other cmdisters have more up-to-date
recommendations.

> Furthermore, a sndlib tutorial might be an alternative to tutorials 
> such as the ones you can currently find on CSound or PD on the Internet or 
> in books (eg, "Designing Sound"). 

I've heard good things about these, but haven't read them -- "Designing
Sound" is on my infinite TODO list.  The sndlib docs do need attention --
one more thing for that list.

For the iPad apps, I bet you'd learn fastest by simply fiddling with them --
some have amazing user interfaces (that would take me 3 lifetimes to reproduce),
although I don't know the 2 that you mention.  My guess is that in this case wavetables
are recorded sounds, and you can loop or filter them.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue May 27 12:36:50 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 12:36:50 -0700
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Those are very interesting sites -- thanks for the pointers!




From phiroc at free.fr  Wed May 28 00:11:18 2014
From: phiroc at free.fr (phiroc at free.fr)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 09:11:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Several questions
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Thanks for your response.

>> THe working directory is sticky so it should stay wherever you set it. if this is not happening then its a bug (are you on a mac??)

Not the case on the Mac. Every time I rerun Grace, and display the working directory, it is set to "".

>> 
>> - is there a way to display the snd editor in Grace, other than using the with-sound command?

> ??

This page https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/sndscm.html#withsound shows all sort of sound manipulations with Snd. I wonder if it is possible to run Snd from Grace or if it is an independant application.

Philippe






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?: "Philippe de Rochambeau" <phiroc at free.fr>
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Objet: Re: [CM] Several questions


On May 27, 2014, at 1:07 AM, Philippe de Rochambeau <phiroc at free.fr> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have several questions regarding CM/Grace:
> 
> - when should you used SAL and when should you use Scheme? Although SAL seems to be the official CM programming language,
> most examples are in Scheme. I personally prefer C-like languages, but it is sometimes difficult to convert Scheme to SAL and vice-versa.

they really are almost equivalent. I implemented SAL because prefix notation (log (+ 2 3(* 2 3))) got in the way of musicians learning how to program. You can use whichever you feel most comfortable with. Sal is sort of like Lua and uses infix:   log( 2 + 3 + 2 * 3)



> - what?s the equivalent of 'with-sound' in SAL? 'with-sound() do stochastic(0, 1, 440, .1)?, for example? I have tried the latter command,
> but it silently returns an empty list.

its called file:

load("v.ins")

file "foo.wav" (srate: 22050, chans: 1)
  loop for i to 10
	fm-violin(.5 * i, 1, between(55, 880), .1)
  end
end



> 
> - is there a way to display the snd editor in Grace, other than using the with-sound command?

??

> 
> - is there a sndlib tutorial, [other than the manual (https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/sndscm.html#withsound) which is not too newbie-friendly]?

there are both Sal and Scheme examples in Grace's Help menu. note that if you want to define your own instruments right away that would tip the scale in favor of learning Scheme right off the bat.

> 
> - is there a way to set the Grace Working Directory once and for all? Grace for Mac keeps forgetting that directory. I have noticed a menu item
> to set the Init File, but what should you put in that file?

THe working directory is sticky so it should stay wherever you set it. if this is not happening then its a bug (are you on a mac??)


> - why were objects abandoned in CM3?

they weren't abandoned, there just aren't objects in S7. If I had infinite time Id port stklos or goops  to s7 and then i could integrate CM2 and CM3 back together in one app, which to me would be optimal. after all ,cm2 is actually written in scheme, not common lisp, so there's no inherent reason both code bases can be one system.



> Many thanks.
> 
> Philippe
> 
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From taube at illinois.edu  Wed May 28 04:49:28 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 06:49:28 -0500
Subject: [CM] Several questions
Message-ID: <1256D120-1F7F-4719-BA7D-CC884F021ECE@illinois.edu>

> Not the case on the Mac. Every time I rerun Grace, and display the working directory, it is set to "".

thanks, Ill try to fix this soon, its not misbehaving on my mac so Ill have to try a machine that doesn't have grace running on it.  

> 
> This page https://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/snd/sndscm.html#withsound shows all sort of sound manipulations with Snd. I wonder if it is possible to run Snd from Grace or if it is an independant application.
> 

Snd is a different app than Grace.YOu could probably start the Snd app running while inside Grace (shell "/usr/local/snd") or whatever, but it would run in an entirely different process than Grace.

but your link was pointing to with-sound , which is a scheme macro for generating sound in clm  if you are asking about using with-sound in Grace then the answer is yes, its built into Grace:

(load "v.scm")

(with-sound () 
(loop for i to 10
    do
    (fm-violin (* .5 i) .75 (between 110 880) .2 ))

I hope Im answering your Question!








From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat May 31 08:12:46 2014
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 08:12:46 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 14.7
Message-ID: <20140531151144.M88455@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Snd 14.7.

s7: sort! now operates in-place on lists (it used to copy the list).
    sort! also accepts bytevectors (for r7rs), and as a by-product, strings.
    string-up|downcase built-in (for r7rs).
    stuff.scm.
    cyclic-sequences.
    hash-table-entries.

Snd: removed defvar (use define-envelope), and multiply-arrays (missed earlier)

checked: sbcl 1.1.18|1.2.0, gtk 3.13.1|2

Thanks!: Mike Scholz, David Lowenfels, Corey Mwamba



From taube at illinois.edu  Sat May 31 09:05:44 2014
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 11:05:44 -0500
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ah thats terrific , ill switch to the latest

On May 31, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

>  sort! now operates in-place on lists (it used to copy the list).