From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Apr  1 04:24:08 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 04:24:08 -0700
Subject: [CM] CL-CLM on github?
In-Reply-To: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

my informal vote tally, here and via email, is that nearly everyone
likes it the way it is now, so I won't make any changes.   But, as
always, if anyone sends me improvements, I'll merge them into
my copy with glee!



From rbastian at free.fr  Mon Apr  2 00:38:05 2012
From: rbastian at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?B?UmVu6Q==?= Bastian)
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:38:05 +0200
Subject: [CM] CL-CLM on github?
In-Reply-To: <20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20120402093805.31220b3b@rene.carmen>

Le Sun, 1 Apr 2012 04:24:08 -0700,
"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> a ?crit :

> my informal vote tally, here and via email, is that nearly everyone
> likes it the way it is now, so I won't make any changes.   But, as
> always, if anyone sends me improvements, I'll merge them into
> my copy with glee!
> 
(* ok ok ok :)

-- 
Ren? Bastian
www.pythoneon.org



From hieronymous.christian.uhrmacher at verizon.net  Sun Apr  1 15:30:58 2012
From: hieronymous.christian.uhrmacher at verizon.net (JEFFREY ZIMMER)
Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 18:30:58 -0400
Subject: [CM] Fwd:   CMN, coma :)
References: <20120330115444.609d5a47@rene.carmen>
Message-ID: <A4DC514A-2958-42F5-A618-556A399F2F59@verizon.net>

Regarding Rene's Comment -

I have been using CMN since late 2005.  I have just completed a 36- 
page Passacaglia for two violins in CMN - over three years of effort -  
which I intend to self-publish.  I have also typeset a couple of  
hymns, and a suite for solo violin.

CMN does have a steep learning curve, like any serious computer  
language, but it offers tremendous flexibility.  And I completely  
agree that its basis in an "antique" language (CLISP) is an advantage  
for composers who want to build
their life's work on a reliable and more-or-less permanent foundation  
of software.

CMN's biggest single weakness, in my own experience, is that it tends  
not to do a good job of justifying complicated contrapuntal music with  
onsets spread across different lines on different staves, with ties,  
short rests, etc.  A good example of this
kind of texture is the organ music of the North German school (D.  
Buxtehude and friends).  The CMN code in cmn4.lisp acknowledges this  
problem in its comments around "compactify":

"This procedure sometimes makes a mess of multi-staff music where the  
overlaps are actually on different staves.  The result tends to make  
runs ragged and uses more space than an engraver would."

My solution has been to do much editing with dx, dy, tie-direction,  
etc, and/or to settle for fewer bars per line, which wastes space.  I  
can get a nice looking result, but it takes lots of work.

 >> Have more recent versions of CMN addressed this issue?

If not, then I would like to take a crack at it, once I become more  
competent with CLISP.  I'd like to try to write an algorithm that  
produces the kind of justification seen in older engraved work, e.g   
Breitkopf & Hartel, ca 1900.  I would
gladly make my code available to the CM community - if I actually  
succeeded.

Jeff Zimmer


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ren? Bastian <rbastian at free.fr>
> Date: March 30, 2012 5:54:44 AM EDT
> To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
> Subject: [CM]  CMN, coma :)
>
> Le Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:52:57 -0700,
> "Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> a ?crit :
> [...]
>> The
>> other CL program from that era is CMN, also more-or-less comatose,
>> but also maintained ever since.
>>
> [...]
>
> It is true that only few people use CMN.
> But it is sure that CMN works when Clisp works;
> all my old .cmn files compile on new installations - that is
> really not a sign of advanced coma.
>
> No other notation software (PC-composer, Score, MusixTex, ...,
> Lilypond) I have been working with has the logical
> qualities of CMN - and logic is the most intuitive tool.
>
> I abandoned Lilypond which is not compatible with himself 6 months
> later :)
>
> What is missing? Documentation how to add new signs - but
> that can be done by a wicki open to all (registrated) users.
>
> -- 
> Ren? Bastian
> www.pythoneon.org
>
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Apr 12 04:06:27 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:06:27 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 12.10
Message-ID: <20120412110549.M94235@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Snd 12.10.

This version is mostly bugfixes and documentation improvements.
In s7 "@" is now an exponent marker.

checked: gtk 3.3.18|20|3.4.0, gmp 5.0.4, mpfr 3.1.0, cairo 1.12.0

Thanks!: Jeffrey Zimmer, Sean Reed, Michael Edwards, Peter Bex.



From rbastian at free.fr  Mon Apr 16 01:44:50 2012
From: rbastian at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?B?UmVu6Q==?= Bastian)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:44:50 +0200
Subject: [CM] compile
Message-ID: <20120416104450.1e33e036@rene.carmen>

Hi,

I try to compile
-------------------------------
(load "all.lisp")
(in-package :clm)
(definstrument tubebell (beg dur freq amp &optional (base 32))

[...]
      (with-sound (:output "wtubebell") 
         (tubebell 0 0.3 440.0 0.2))
-------------------------------	
and I get the message
-------------------------------
;   using existing configuration file mus-config.h
; Writing "clm_TUBEBELL.c"
*** - TRUENAME: File #P"/home/rb/CLM/clm-4/clm_TUBEBELL_0.so" does not
exist
-------------------------------
What can I do ?


	  

-- 
Ren? Bastian
www.pythoneon.org



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Apr 16 02:43:05 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 02:43:05 -0700
Subject: [CM] compile
In-Reply-To: <20120416104450.1e33e036@rene.carmen>
References: <20120416104450.1e33e036@rene.carmen>
Message-ID: <20120416093828.M38394@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

In the CL CLM, you have to compile the instrument before using
it -- when you run it, it looks for the shared object file (*.so)
that results from the translation from CL to C.  So, instead of 
evaluating the tubebell definition, (compile-file "prc96.ins"),
then (load "prc96"), then you can use tubebell in with-sound.

In the Scheme version of CLM, you can just evaluate the
instrument definition.




From user-clm-cmdist at daveltd.com  Mon Apr 16 11:11:50 2012
From: user-clm-cmdist at daveltd.com (David Lindes)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:11:50 +0200
Subject: [CM] CL-CLM on github?
In-Reply-To: <20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <CADUs9A3wUYrf1_na4_vBvq430=EoPM=p+pijPg4qvXc=B1yPTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill et al,

[Note: sorry I was quiet for a couple weeks there...  Life is
unpredictable, for me, lately.]

[tl;dr version: Is there some reason for me *not* to act autonomously and
put things on github?]


Hmm, OK.  I guess you got a bunch of "no git" (or "no github") votes
privately, or I misunderstood something, because all the "votes" I saw
on-list seemed in favor.  ;)

So, I'm curious, then -- having seen a bunch of public in-favor votes, I
guess a few questions:

(1) Is there something in particular I would benefit from being aware of
that's a reason not to have things on github?

(2) Is there some way I could get (even read-only) access to whatever SCM
is in play now, instead of just dealing with the tarball as a master source?

(3) Is there any objection to me putting my own version up on github?  If
so, what's the objection?

I fully understand if Bill doesn't want to put in extra work to support
something he won't use; if that's the only issue, that's fine, I'll just
put something up on github for myself, and if others want to use it, great;
and if not, no worries.

If there's something else, though, I'd like to know about it.

And for what it's worth:

My reasons for wanting something other than the status quo (only some of
which have anything to do with git or github) are several:

(a) I'd prefer to have a local tree that's based on some sort of SCM,
rather than having to maintain versions against a whole-repository
distribution.

(b) For my own personal use, I've taken to really liking git, and so even
if point (a) above was solved with an SVN (or darcs or hg or whatever)
link, I'd most likely end up making a git clone of it to actually work from.

(c) I find that git, in general, and github, in particular, provide some
great tools for increasing the degree of collaboration on things.  Granted,
my guess (being totally new to this list and this project) is that Bill is
quite responsive to changes, and that this is likely perceived as largely a
non-issue.

(d) One of my motivations for making changes at all is to get things into
quicklisp[0], and having something in github is convenient for that --
though not required.

Anyway, I guess my main questions are (2) and (3) above.

Input appreciated.

Thanks,

- David

P.S.  One final thing: I meant to reply to john saylor's message and add my
favorite resource for those not yet on-board with git: "Understanding Git
Conceptually" -- it changed my mind about whether and why to use git, and
if nothing else, it gives some information on what git is all about, so you
can draw your own conclusions (for those who haven't already, or are open
to re-exploring it): http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/


[0] See http://www.quicklisp.org/ -- and also
https://github.com/quicklisp/quicklisp-projects/issues/290 -- the latter I
intend to work on, probably right after I send this e-mail (again, life is
unpredictable for me right now).

On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.stanford.edu>wrote:

> my informal vote tally, here and via email, is that nearly everyone
> likes it the way it is now, so I won't make any changes.   But, as
> always, if anyone sends me improvements, I'll merge them into
> my copy with glee!
>
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Apr 16 11:21:41 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:21:41 -0700
Subject: [CM] CL-CLM on github?
In-Reply-To: <CADUs9A3wUYrf1_na4_vBvq430=EoPM=p+pijPg4qvXc=B1yPTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<CADUs9A3wUYrf1_na4_vBvq430=EoPM=p+pijPg4qvXc=B1yPTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120416181839.M60042@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

I ask that you not make your own version on github -- that can only
cause confusion as to which version is official -- I don't
want bug reports for code I know nothing about.  I appreciate your
interest in CLM.




From rm at tuxteam.de  Mon Apr 16 13:19:36 2012
From: rm at tuxteam.de (rm at tuxteam.de)
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:19:36 +0200
Subject: [CM] CL-CLM on github?
In-Reply-To: <20120416181839.M60042@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20120329195136.M53025@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20120401112103.M20254@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<CADUs9A3wUYrf1_na4_vBvq430=EoPM=p+pijPg4qvXc=B1yPTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120416181839.M60042@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20120416201936.GA3768@seid-online.de>

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:21:41AM -0700, Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
> I ask that you not make your own version on github -- that can only
> cause confusion as to which version is official -- I don't
> want bug reports for code I know nothing about.  I appreciate your
> interest in CLM.


Then, for heaven sake, please change the licence of the code - 
The file 'COPYING.clm' does say some quite different things.
I can fully understand your reasons for keeping clm under your wings
but setting the code free (under the most permissive imaginable licence)
and then the users _not_ to use the given rights seems strange.

David seems to want to take care of the code (or at least participate in
care-taking). Why should he keep his modifications (that might well be
useful to all of use) in his private code dungeon?

Would it be o.k. with you for him to release his version under a
different name (i'd suggest "uncommon lisp music")?

 Cheers, Ralf Mattes

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From torsten.anders at plymouth.ac.uk  Tue Apr 17 05:58:54 2012
From: torsten.anders at plymouth.ac.uk (Torsten Anders)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:58:54 +0100
Subject: [CM] Fwd:  snd on OSX 10.6.8
References: <EB96BDF0-53CE-435D-A44E-678F3EB79E8B@zkm.de>
Message-ID: <4F954EB4-F249-4B70-897C-95CB24453FB3@plymouth.ac.uk>

Begin forwarded message:
From: ludger br?mmer <lb at zkm.de<mailto:lb at zkm.de>>
Date: 16 April 2012 21:26:57 GMT+01:00
To: Torsten Anders <torsten.anders at beds.ac.uk<mailto:torsten.anders at beds.ac.uk>>
Subject: Re: [CM] snd on OSX 10.6.8

Hi Bill,

finally I got snd to built on 10.6.8  - even if this is a running out OS just want to mention that Torsten Anders' hint made the difference: just add -arch i386 to the CFLAGS.
Maybe its worth to add it to the README section.

the ./configure flags were taken from  Cris Ewings version from README

./configure CFLAGS="-arch i386 -I/sw/include" LDFLAGS="-L/sw/lib -lmx -bind_at_load" --with-motif --with-static-xm --with-motif-prefix=/sw

all the best

Ludger


Prof. Ludger Br?mmer
Head of ZKM|Institute for Music and Acoustics
Lorenzstr. 19
76135 Karlsruhe
lb at zkm.de<mailto:lb at zkm.de>




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Apr 17 08:40:41 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:40:41 -0700
Subject: [CM] Fwd:  snd on OSX 10.6.8
In-Reply-To: <4F954EB4-F249-4B70-897C-95CB24453FB3@plymouth.ac.uk>
References: <EB96BDF0-53CE-435D-A44E-678F3EB79E8B@zkm.de>
	<4F954EB4-F249-4B70-897C-95CB24453FB3@plymouth.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20120417153955.M75164@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Thanks!  I've added a note about that to README.Snd.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Apr 17 09:39:55 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:39:55 -0700
Subject: [CM] yet another call/cc example??
Message-ID: <20120417163810.M420@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

(let ((what's-for-breakfast ())
      (bad-dog 'fido))        ; bad-dog wonders what's for breakfast?
  (with-baffle                ; the syntax is (with-baffle . body)         
   (set! what's-for-breakfast
	 (call/cc
	  (lambda (biscuit?)
	    (set! bad-dog biscuit?) ; bad-dog smells a biscuit!
	    (biscuit? 'biscuit!)))))
  (if (eq? what's-for-breakfast 'biscuit!) 
      (bad-dog 'biscuit!))     ; now, outside the baffled block, bad-dog wants that biscuit!
  what's-for-breakfast)        ;   but s7 says "No!": baffled! ("continuation can't jump into with-baffle")




From taube at illinois.edu  Sat Apr 21 07:11:51 2012
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 09:11:51 -0500
Subject: [CM] cm 3.8.0 released
Message-ID: <0608E2BB-F632-4AB4-B684-0B059277911B@illinois.edu>

ive released cm 3.8.0 on sourceforge. the main additions are  
metronomes and other support for live coding,  audio plugin loading,  
new plot window (90% done) new audio player window (905 done)




CM 3.8.0

o Enhancement: The real-time scheduler now uses metronomes and is beat
   based. See the new Metronomes section in the dictionary and the new
   Help>Examples>Metronomes example for more information. Metronomes
   were designed and implemented by Halim Beere (halimbeere at gmail.com)

o Enhancement: sprout now supports "live coding" much better. When you
   sprout a processes together with an id the scheduler now replaces
   any currently running process with the same id with the newly
   sprouted version but without altering the next run time in the
   scheduler. This allows you to "redefine" processes on the fly. See
   the updated sprout documentation and the new Help>Examples>Live
   Coding example for more information. (Halim Beere)

o Enhancement: Real-time audio generation using audio plugins (AU,
   VST, ASIO). Type COMMAND-P to load any plugin graph ("*.filtgraph")
   that you created and saved in JUCE's "Plugin Host" app. See Audio
   Plugins for more information.

o Enhancement: Audio file Player window has be
   remimplemented. Multiple players can now be open and playing at the
   same time, and each player provides a sampling rate slider for
   controling sampling rate during playback.

o Enhancement: It is now possible to close any open MIDI input or
   output port by reselecting it in the device menu.

o Enhancement: Plot window reimplemented. Window now includes a tabbed
   editor and real-time audio playback for any plot. See the updated
   Lisp and Sal plotting examples in the Help>Examples menu.

o Enhancement: SDIF file importing using Ircam's SDIF library. See
   sdif-import and sdif-import-spectra for more information.

o Enhancement: new Audio>Play Midi File... window plays midifiles the
   the selected output port. Audio>Play Midi File...

o Enhancement: new function qsort! performs in line (destructive)
   sorting of lists and vectors. (The standard sort! function that is
   provided by s7 does destructive sorting of arrays but copies lists.)

o Enhancement: The Open File... dialog now defaults to the directory
   of the window's current file, or the working directory if the window
   has no file.

o Enhancement: new functions random-series, list-intersection,
   list-union, list-difference and remove-duplicates.

o Enhancement: new function golden returns the golden mean or inverse
   golden mean of two numbers.

o Enhancement: new function fibonacci returns the nth number in the
   fibonacci series.

o Enhancement: new function mod allows a number or lists of numbers to
   be specified.

o Enhancement: new function minimum allows numbers or a list of
   numbers to be specified.

o Enhancement: new function maximum allows numbers or a list of
   numbers to be specified.

o Enhancement: Upgraded to S7 1.105 (6-Feb-12) and latest versions of
   clm instruments in sndlib.

o Enhancement: Upgraded to Juce 1.54.27

o Change: function import-spear-frames has been renamed
   spear-import-spectra



From pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net  Wed Apr 25 02:17:00 2012
From: pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pietari_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 12:17:00 +0300
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
Message-ID: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>

Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with 
VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything wrong, but 
correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph with a 
MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly in the 
plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg 
<http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>

Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
Nodes:
   Midi Input
   Audio Output
Connections:

Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin 
Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no editor)".

It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to make 
the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems are 
way over my head.

Regards,

Pietari Sepp?nen

PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I believe I 
neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied to 
that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took 
place yesterday.



From taube at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 25 03:53:05 2012
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:53:05 -0500
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
Message-ID: <C39B8B6D-8EE1-4FDA-9E59-35F2B9FAD629@illinois.edu>

yes it looks like the vst dll didnt get loaded...im not sure i will be  
able to help you   on windows but i can try. is 'plastique'  
proprietary? or can it run on mac? id have a better shot at debugging  
there....


On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:

> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with
> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything wrong,  
> but
> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph  
> with a
> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly in  
> the
> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>
> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
> Nodes:
>   Midi Input
>   Audio Output
> Connections:
>
> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no  
> editor)".
>
> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to make
> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems are
> way over my head.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pietari Sepp?nen
>
> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I believe I
> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied to
> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took
> place yesterday.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist




From taube at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 25 03:55:37 2012
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 05:55:37 -0500
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
Message-ID: <D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>

also im assuming you build Cm from its source on windows, otherwise   
plugin support will not be available at all since vst support is  
licenced


On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:

> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with
> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything wrong,  
> but
> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph  
> with a
> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly in  
> the
> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>
> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
> Nodes:
>   Midi Input
>   Audio Output
> Connections:
>
> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no  
> editor)".
>
> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to make
> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems are
> way over my head.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pietari Sepp?nen
>
> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I believe I
> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied to
> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took
> place yesterday.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist




From pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net  Wed Apr 25 04:01:11 2012
From: pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pietari_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 14:01:11 +0300
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
	<D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <4F97D977.9010909@pohjoinen.net>

Well there is the problem! I did not see any warning that this would be 
the case. I will have to figure out how to compile the source. Thanks!

Regards,

Pietari Sepp?nen

On 25.4.2012 13:55, Heinrich Taube wrote:
> also im assuming you build Cm from its source on windows, otherwise  
> plugin support will not be available at all since vst support is licenced
>
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:
>
>> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with
>> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything wrong, but
>> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph with a
>> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly in the
>> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
>> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
>> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
>> Nodes:
>>   Midi Input
>>   Audio Output
>> Connections:
>>
>> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
>> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no 
>> editor)".
>>
>> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to make
>> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems are
>> way over my head.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>
>> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I believe I
>> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied to
>> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took
>> place yesterday.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>
>



From taube at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 25 05:20:48 2012
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 07:20:48 -0500
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <4F97D977.9010909@pohjoinen.net>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
	<D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>
	<4F97D977.9010909@pohjoinen.net>
Message-ID: <F4FD30C0-9F9E-48AC-B50B-80B16D0035A3@illinois.edu>

the cm/readme.text will tell you how to do the basic build on windows,  
you need to download  sources for sndlib and build that first
for cm you need premake (3) installed,  and then open the windows  
terminal and type someting like

premake --target vs2008 --vst /path/to/vststuff --sndlib /path/to/sndlib
it will look for
/path/to/vststuff/pluginterfaces/vst2.x/aeffect.h

where /path/to  is of course replaced by the correct directory on your  
machine. avoid spaces in your directory path or you invite trouble, i  
would put everthing in a top level director like

/software/sndlib
/software/cm

ive never tried to build plugin on windows so i expect you will  
encounter some issues to solve. but if your vst makes a toot in  
pluginhost then thats a good sign, cm isnt really doing anything other  
than what plugin host does.


> Well there is the problem! I did not see any warning that this would  
> be the case. I will have to figure out how to compile the source.  
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Pietari Sepp?nen
>
> On 25.4.2012 13:55, Heinrich Taube wrote:
>> also im assuming you build Cm from its source on windows,  
>> otherwise  plugin support will not be available at all since vst  
>> support is licenced
>>
>>
>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with
>>> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything  
>>> wrong, but
>>> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph  
>>> with a
>>> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly  
>>> in the
>>> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
>>> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
>>> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
>>> Nodes:
>>>  Midi Input
>>>  Audio Output
>>> Connections:
>>>
>>> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
>>> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no  
>>> editor)".
>>>
>>> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to  
>>> make
>>> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems  
>>> are
>>> way over my head.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>>
>>> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I  
>>> believe I
>>> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied  
>>> to
>>> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took
>>> place yesterday.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>>
>




From pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net  Wed Apr 25 05:53:46 2012
From: pietari.seppanen at pohjoinen.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Pietari_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:53:46 +0300
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <F4FD30C0-9F9E-48AC-B50B-80B16D0035A3@illinois.edu>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
	<D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>
	<4F97D977.9010909@pohjoinen.net>
	<F4FD30C0-9F9E-48AC-B50B-80B16D0035A3@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <4F97F3DA.2050902@pohjoinen.net>

This was a puzzle for someone who has never coded in C/C++ and never 
installed VS2008 Express, etc. Then I had to go to Steinberg's site and 
fight my way through it until I could download VST SDK 2.4. Then I had 
to add the directory I extracted that to VS2008's include directories. 
That still didn't do it for CM even when I changed the VST setting in 
juce_amalgamated to 1, but I could build the Plugin Host fine. I added 
these two lines to juce_amalgamated.h:

#undef  JUCE_PLUGINHOST_VST
   #define JUCE_PLUGINHOST_VST 1
/*** End of inlined file: juce_Config.h ***/

It was a hunch. I know nothing of C++, so I can't guess why, but that 
finally allowed me to build CM with VST support. I'll let you know later 
if I find I broke something.

Regards,

Pietari Sepp?nen

On 25.4.2012 15:20, Heinrich Taube wrote:
> the cm/readme.text will tell you how to do the basic build on windows, 
> you need to download  sources for sndlib and build that first
> for cm you need premake (3) installed,  and then open the windows 
> terminal and type someting like
>
> premake --target vs2008 --vst /path/to/vststuff --sndlib /path/to/sndlib
> it will look for
> /path/to/vststuff/pluginterfaces/vst2.x/aeffect.h
>
> where /path/to  is of course replaced by the correct directory on your 
> machine. avoid spaces in your directory path or you invite trouble, i 
> would put everthing in a top level director like
>
> /software/sndlib
> /software/cm
>
> ive never tried to build plugin on windows so i expect you will 
> encounter some issues to solve. but if your vst makes a toot in 
> pluginhost then thats a good sign, cm isnt really doing anything other 
> than what plugin host does.
>
>
>> Well there is the problem! I did not see any warning that this would 
>> be the case. I will have to figure out how to compile the source. 
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>
>> On 25.4.2012 13:55, Heinrich Taube wrote:
>>> also im assuming you build Cm from its source on windows, otherwise  
>>> plugin support will not be available at all since vst support is 
>>> licenced
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter with
>>>> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything 
>>>> wrong, but
>>>> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph 
>>>> with a
>>>> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly in 
>>>> the
>>>> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
>>>> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
>>>> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
>>>> Nodes:
>>>>  Midi Input
>>>>  Audio Output
>>>> Connections:
>>>>
>>>> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
>>>> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with "(no 
>>>> editor)".
>>>>
>>>> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis to make
>>>> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in systems are
>>>> way over my head.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>>>
>>>> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I believe I
>>>> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you replied to
>>>> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that took
>>>> place yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>



From taube at illinois.edu  Wed Apr 25 06:21:53 2012
From: taube at illinois.edu (Heinrich Taube)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 08:21:53 -0500
Subject: [CM] Windows CM 3.8.0: Plugin graphs do not load correctly
In-Reply-To: <4F97F3DA.2050902@pohjoinen.net>
References: <4F97C10C.2090904@pohjoinen.net>
	<D0A9DFCD-2C89-416A-8F26-8491FB480D4C@illinois.edu>
	<4F97D977.9010909@pohjoinen.net>
	<F4FD30C0-9F9E-48AC-B50B-80B16D0035A3@illinois.edu>
	<4F97F3DA.2050902@pohjoinen.net>
Message-ID: <95B3CB09-9096-4E33-895B-5C08C5918608@illinois.edu>

welcome to the wonderful world of software installation.
if you get it working please send me the steps so no one else has to  
go through what you are doing.

i dont understand why you need to set the define by hand. in my  
premake.lua i have:

    if vst then
       add(juce_config, "JUCE_PLUGINHOST_VST=1")
       add(juce_library.includepaths, vst)
    end

so that the vs2008 project file that builds cm should already have  
that  in it.



On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:

> This was a puzzle for someone who has never coded in C/C++ and never  
> installed VS2008 Express, etc. Then I had to go to Steinberg's site  
> and fight my way through it until I could download VST SDK 2.4. Then  
> I had to add the directory I extracted that to VS2008's include  
> directories. That still didn't do it for CM even when I changed the  
> VST setting in juce_amalgamated to 1, but I could build the Plugin  
> Host fine. I added these two lines to juce_amalgamated.h:
>
> #undef  JUCE_PLUGINHOST_VST
>  #define JUCE_PLUGINHOST_VST 1
> /*** End of inlined file: juce_Config.h ***/
>
> It was a hunch. I know nothing of C++, so I can't guess why, but  
> that finally allowed me to build CM with VST support. I'll let you  
> know later if I find I broke something.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pietari Sepp?nen
>
> On 25.4.2012 15:20, Heinrich Taube wrote:
>> the cm/readme.text will tell you how to do the basic build on  
>> windows, you need to download  sources for sndlib and build that  
>> first
>> for cm you need premake (3) installed,  and then open the windows  
>> terminal and type someting like
>>
>> premake --target vs2008 --vst /path/to/vststuff --sndlib /path/to/ 
>> sndlib
>> it will look for
>> /path/to/vststuff/pluginterfaces/vst2.x/aeffect.h
>>
>> where /path/to  is of course replaced by the correct directory on  
>> your machine. avoid spaces in your directory path or you invite  
>> trouble, i would put everthing in a top level director like
>>
>> /software/sndlib
>> /software/cm
>>
>> ive never tried to build plugin on windows so i expect you will  
>> encounter some issues to solve. but if your vst makes a toot in  
>> pluginhost then thats a good sign, cm isnt really doing anything  
>> other than what plugin host does.
>>
>>
>>> Well there is the problem! I did not see any warning that this  
>>> would be the case. I will have to figure out how to compile the  
>>> source. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>>
>>> On 25.4.2012 13:55, Heinrich Taube wrote:
>>>> also im assuming you build Cm from its source on windows,  
>>>> otherwise  plugin support will not be available at all since vst  
>>>> support is licenced
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Pietari Sepp?nen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello! I'm not an expert with CM and this is my first encounter  
>>>>> with
>>>>> VSTs, so please bear with me. I do not believe I did anything  
>>>>> wrong, but
>>>>> correct me if I did. I used the JUCE Plugin Host to make a graph  
>>>>> with a
>>>>> MIDI input, a VST plugin and an audio output. It works perfectly  
>>>>> in the
>>>>> plugin host. Image: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~seppanep/juce.jpg
>>>>> <http://www.student.oulu.fi/%7Eseppanep/juce.jpg>
>>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately, when I load it in CM I get the following message:
>>>>> Plugin Graph 'test(2)' (2 nodes, 0 connections)
>>>>> Nodes:
>>>>> Midi Input
>>>>> Audio Output
>>>>> Connections:
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously something is missing here and I get no sound. The Plugin
>>>>> Graphs -> Plugins menu shows those two nodes greyed out with  
>>>>> "(no editor)".
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a great shame because I have been hoping to use synthesis  
>>>>> to make
>>>>> the output sound a bit more interesting, but the built-in  
>>>>> systems are
>>>>> way over my head.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Pietari Sepp?nen
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I sent Heinrich Taube a direct email about this first. I  
>>>>> believe I
>>>>> neglected to mention I was using Windows. Heinrich, if you  
>>>>> replied to
>>>>> that I didn't receive it because of an email server change that  
>>>>> took
>>>>> place yesterday.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>




From rbastian at free.fr  Wed Apr 25 11:54:42 2012
From: rbastian at free.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?B?UmVu6Q==?= Bastian)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 20:54:42 +0200
Subject: [CM] harp glissando,  octave-up
Message-ID: <20120425205442.058a781f@rene.carmen>

Hi Bill,

I try to write a harp glissando (it's not easy :)
----------------------------
     quarter-rest eighth-rest  
     (c6 32nd (begin-octave-up)) (bf5 32nd) (af5 32nd) (fs5 32nd)
     (e5 q (begin-glissando) begin-tremolo) 
     ; 006
     (bass (end-octave-up))
     (c3 q end-glissando end-tremolo) 
       quarter-rest quarter-rest 
     ; 007
----------------------------
- the octave transposition sign is too close to the note heads
( (begin-octave-up) does not accept  (dy ...))
- the harp glissando is not the classical notation

What's is your solution?

-- 
Ren? Bastian
www.pythoneon.org



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Wed Apr 25 13:08:09 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 13:08:09 -0700
Subject: [CM] harp glissando,  octave-up
In-Reply-To: <20120425205442.058a781f@rene.carmen>
References: <20120425205442.058a781f@rene.carmen>
Message-ID: <20120425200631.M40406@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Are you looking for the wavy line glissando mark?  If so, 
include (wavy-line t) as an argument to begin-glissando.
The dy message to octave-up seems to work for me:

(cmn staff treble
    (c6 32nd (begin-octave-up (dy 1.0))) (bf5 32nd) (af5 32nd) (fs5 32nd) 
    (e5 q (begin-glissando (wavy-line t)) begin-tremolo) 
    (bass (end-octave-up)) 
    (c3 q end-glissando end-tremolo) 
    )




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Apr 30 12:11:56 2012
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:11:56 -0700
Subject: [CM] sndlib ESD support
Message-ID: <20120430190145.M76443@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

It appears that the Enlightened Sound Daemon is no longer
supported.  Would it be a problem if I remove support for it
from sndlib?  How about OSS?  Sun?  HPUX?

Also, in the 10 or 20 years since the audio stuff was first
implemented, audio hardware, and OS support of it, has
changed a lot.  I'd like to remove all the input functions,
and the hardware state descriptors, and change the output
functions to be purely callback-driven.  So, 95% of audio.c
would go away, along with rtio.scm, play.scm, oscope.scm,
and various other such stuff.  How important is audio
input to anyone (in Snd, or CLM)?