From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Sep  1 07:19:11 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:19:11 -0700
Subject: [CM] re: snd_frg.scm
Message-ID: <20060901141506.M69641@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

I added your code to the Snd tarball and CVS site -- thanks again!

> To compile Snd with all gtk extensions, it seems that --with-static-xg flag is
> needed. If not, xg.o nor xg.so are produced. I need to compile them manually.
> Looks like a bug in configure or something like that.

The current expectation is that if you want xg.so as a separate
module you'll either use libxm or "make xg" (as a separate
command).  I'd rather not make this automatic in the makefile.
I could add another entry point, I suppose -- "make gtk-snd"
or something.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Sep  1 07:32:55 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:32:55 -0700
Subject: [CM] motif's future
Message-ID: <20060901141933.M92675@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Fernando noticed that Fedora is dropping openmotif:

http://lwn.net/Articles/197744/

(The discussion is disappointing -- rationalizations, empty rhetoric,
ignorant arguments; they've decided, now they shout and pound on the
table; lesstif is not an option for Snd -- many serious bugs -- I reported
some, with suggested fixes a long time ago, and got no response).

I'll keep the motif side of Snd going indefinitely  (I still prefer motif
to gtk...).



From nolv at free.fr  Fri Sep  1 08:02:10 2006
From: nolv at free.fr (Olivier =?iso-8859-1?b?RG9hcuk=?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:02:10 +0200
Subject: [CM] re: snd_frg.scm
In-Reply-To: <20060901141506.M69641@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20060901141506.M69641@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <1157122930.44f84b7282391@imp5-g19.free.fr>

Selon Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>:
> I added your code to the Snd tarball and CVS site -- thanks again!

Thanks!
But note again that in its current form, it won't work with snd except the
version in snd-ls (like the snd_conffile.scm). I could try to make one that
works, when i have time.

> The current expectation is that if you want xg.so as a separate
> module you'll either use libxm or "make xg" (as a separate
> command).  I'd rather not make this automatic in the makefile.
> I could add another entry point, I suppose -- "make gtk-snd"
> or something.
>

Thanks for the 'make xg' trick. It's fine with me. It's just that it seems this
is not documented anywhere.

--
Olivier



From drkrause at mindspring.com  Fri Sep  1 14:21:51 2006
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:21:51 -0400
Subject: [CM] 'drunk' behavior
Message-ID: <44F8A46F.4080208@mindspring.com>

I've noticed that CM's 'drunk' function has a strong tendency to descend 
(see test below). Is it working properly, or should a random seed be 
re-set or something? Thanks!

The following function returns a list of length 'len' starting drunk 
from 'startpit':

(defun drunkvec (startpit len &optional (stepsize 1))
  (loop repeat len
    for r = startpit then (drunk r stepsize)
    collect r))

All 30 runs of length 20 descended from 50 to the following final numbers:

(loop repeat 30 append (last (drunkvec 50 20)))
=>(44 42 44 39 42 40 38 43 41 41 39 40 44 39 40 42 42 40 39 39 41 41 39 
42 38
    46 45 38 45 40)


Drew Krause



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sun Sep  3 17:58:32 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:58:32 -0500
Subject: [CM] 'drunk' behavior
In-Reply-To: <44F8A46F.4080208@mindspring.com>
References: <44F8A46F.4080208@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <A5FDEE8F-141C-4502-BF85-272E891CBF83@uiuc.edu>

indeed. the bug is that the value is bounded (between (- width)  
width) which means that there is 1 more neg. number than positive :/
if you change that to (between (- width) (+ width 1) ) then it  
behaves correctly ie drunkvec averages to the initial value:

(defun drunkvec (startpit len &optional (stepsize 1))
    (loop repeat len
      for r = startpit then (drunk r stepsize)
      collect r))

(defun avr (l) (floor (apply #'+ l) (length l)))


? (avr (loop repeat 30 append (last (drunkvec 50 20))))
=> 49
? (avr (loop repeat 30 append (last (drunkvec 50 20))))
=> 51
? (avr (loop repeat 30 append (last (drunkvec 50 20))))
=> 50

this is fixed in cvs (rev 1.14 of data.scm). thanks drew!




From Tom.Lopez at oberlin.edu  Tue Sep  5 21:08:44 2006
From: Tom.Lopez at oberlin.edu (Tom Lopez)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:08:44 -0400
Subject: [CM] SEAMUS/ASCAP student commission
Message-ID: <3795BC7C-2A74-4A4A-B9C7-B89D1F263560@oberlin.edu>

Apologies for cross-postings.

Please forward as appropriate.

SEAMUS is pleased to announce the 2007 ASCAP/SEAMUS Student Composer  
Commissioning Program, with the help of Frances Richard and the  
American Society for Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)  
<http://www.ascap.com>. The commission includes an honorarium for a  
new electro-acoustic composition, a stipend for copying and material  
costs, a plaque, a recording on the annual conference CD, and a  
performance at the SEAMUS 2008 National Conference.

You must be a student currently enrolled in an academic course of  
study that leads to a high school diploma, or baccalaureate, masters,  
or doctoral degree in music or electro-acoustic music, or a program  
that includes electro-acoustic music and related fields. This  
competition is open to student members of SEAMUS, US citizens, or  
legal residents of the United States.

The postmark deadline is October 15, 2006.

For more information, including the application form:

http://seamusonline.org/ascap.html


IMPORTANT:  applying for the SEAMUS/ASCAP Student Commission is  
entirely different from submitting work for performance at the SEAMUS  
National Conference, which requires a separate application.


Sincerely,

Tom Lopez
SEAMUS/ASCAP Commissioning Program Coordinator
77 W. College St.
Oberlin Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, Ohio 44074 USA
(440) 775-8748


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From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 01:49:48 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:49:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
Message-ID: <20060907084948.8858.qmail@web50312.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all!

The bugs I found are:

1) if the sonogram colormap is not set!ed in
.snd_prefs_guile, a segmentation fault occurs the
first time you try to open the preferences dialog. At
the next try the menu is opened but the options are
listed only up to sonogram colormap, which is broken
and unsettable. If you save the preferences, the
colormap is given the value -1, which happens to have
the same effect described above.

2) the load path value is not saved, which is
specially unfortunate beacuse another settings depend
on loading .scm files (for example ws.scm), and
.snd_prefs_guile seems to take precedence over my .snd
(which establishes the load path).

That's all.
Best regards,
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From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 01:59:39 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:59:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907084948.8858.qmail@web50312.mail.yahoo.com>
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> 2) the load path value is not saved, 

Just for the sake of precision: it is saved when you
specifically modify it, but not retained in
.snd_prefs_guile when you save another changes not
including the load path (although it's usually showed
in the preferences menu as it's value is taken from
that customarily established in your .snd anyway; but
as .snd_prefs_guile is loaded first, it would be
desirable to have the load path setted by it before
attempting actions that require snd's root dir in the
path).


> Hi all!
> 
> The bugs I found are:
> 
> 1) if the sonogram colormap is not set!ed in
> .snd_prefs_guile, a segmentation fault occurs the
> first time you try to open the preferences dialog.
> At
> the next try the menu is opened but the options are
> listed only up to sonogram colormap, which is broken
> and unsettable. If you save the preferences, the
> colormap is given the value -1, which happens to
> have
> the same effect described above.
> 
> 2) the load path value is not saved, which is
> specially unfortunate beacuse another settings
> depend
> on loading .scm files (for example ws.scm), and
> .snd_prefs_guile seems to take precedence over my
> .snd
> (which establishes the load path).
> 
> That's all.
> Best regards,
> Carlos
> 
> 
> 
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep  7 04:14:34 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 04:14:34 -0700
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907084948.8858.qmail@web50312.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907084948.8858.qmail@web50312.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060907111344.M30222@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> if the sonogram colormap is not set!ed in 
> .snd_prefs_guile, a segmentation fault occurs the 
> first time you try to open the preferences dialog. 

I can't get this to happen in any version of Snd.

> At the next try the menu is opened but the options are 
> listed only up to sonogram colormap, which is broken 
> and unsettable. If you save the preferences, the 
> colormap is given the value -1, which happens to have 
> the same effect described above. 

The value of -1 is not legal -- it should generate an
error message.  I don't set it to -1 anywhere.

:(set! (colormap) -1)
colormap: no-such-colormap: (-1)


What version of Snd is this?  (what does ./snd --version
print out?).  Also, if possible, what is the stack trace
at the point of the seg fault?




From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 04:33:06 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 11:33:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907111344.M30222@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20060907113306.50105.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>

> What version of Snd is this?  (what does ./snd
> --version print out?).  Also, if possible, what is
the stack
> trace at the point of the seg fault?

snd --version

  ==> This is Snd version 8.4 of 6-Sep-06.

But I observed the same behaviour with:

snd --version

  ==> This is Snd version 8.3 of 30-Jul-06

I got any detail more than:

   Caught seg fault (will try to continue):

(even when show-backtrace is #t)

To reproduce the failure I simply commented out (set!
(colormap) 1) from .snd_prefs_guile.

Are you sure that none of your initialization scripts
is setting this option to some value before the first
time you open the preferences dialog?

Also, the -1 value seems to be a somehow indirect
consequence of the seg fault, so it's not surprising
that you don't get it as long as you can't reproduce
the error in the first term.

Regards,
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From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 04:33:24 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:33:24 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [CM] CM tutorial example raises out-of-range error on guile/Snd
Message-ID: <20060907113325.88452.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!

I'm just trying to run the examples from the
intro.lisp CM tutorial in guile/Snd and I get the
following error:

(new seq :name 'pulse
     :subobjects
     (loop with d = .1 
           for i below 80
           collect (new midi :time (* i d)
         :keynum (pickl '(c4 d4 ef4 f4 g4 af4 bf4 c5))
         :duration d
         :amplitude (interp (mod i 8) 0 .25 7 .75))))

==>#<seq "pulse">

(list-objects #&pulse :end 3)

==>0. 
substring: out-of-range: Argument 3 out of range: 2
#f: line #f
; (list-objects #&pulse :end 3)



From taube at uiuc.edu  Thu Sep  7 05:17:46 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 07:17:46 -0500
Subject: [CM] CM tutorial example raises out-of-range error on guile/Snd
In-Reply-To: <20060907113325.88452.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907113325.88452.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AE34A0B3-7907-4692-9111-43C844DB35C3@uiuc.edu>

please let me know if using (ice-9 format) this fixes the problem,  
try this:


(use-modules (ice-9 format))

(new seq :name 'pulse
      :subobjects
      (loop with d = .1
            for i below 80
            collect (new midi :time (* i d)
          :keynum (pickl '(c4 d4 ef4 f4 g4 af4 bf4 c5))
          :duration d
          :amplitude (interp (mod i 8) 0 .25 7 .75))))

(list-objects #&pulse :end 3)




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep  7 05:18:21 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 05:18:21 -0700
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907113306.50105.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907111344.M30222@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <20060907113306.50105.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060907121523.M69738@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> Just for the sake of precision: it is saved when you 
> specifically modify it, but not retained in 
> .snd_prefs_guile when you save another changes not 
> including the load path (although it's usually showed 
> in the preferences menu as it's value is taken from 
> that customarily established in your .snd anyway; but 
> as .snd_prefs_guile is loaded first, it would be 
> desirable to have the load path setted by it before 
> attempting actions that require snd's root dir in the 
> path). 

The initialization files are loaded in the order: 

.snd_prefs_guile, .snd_guile, .snd

If you set the load-path in ~/.snd by consing a path onto
the front of the list, that becomes the load-path reported
by the preferences dialog.  I do not touch any file except
the preferences output, so I can't fix this.  Another
possible "gotcha" here is that you need to type <return>
in the text widget for it to notice that its value has
changed.  So, if I understand the problem, either remove
the bad value from your ~/.snd file, or at least don't
make it the first thing in the load list.

Or, since you're using ~/.snd anyway, combine whatever
you want from the prefs output into ~/.snd and delete the
prefs file.  




From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 05:40:49 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 12:40:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907121523.M69738@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20060907124049.78017.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>


> Another
> possible "gotcha" here is that you need to type
> <return>
> in the text widget for it to notice that its value
> has
> changed.

Yeah, I'm doing that and also moving out focus to
another widget after pressing <return>, in order to
commit the "change". In fact, even when the value
remains constant, I need to do that just to preserve
its line at .snd_prefs_guile so later steps of the
execution of this script will be aware of the
load-path (take for example:

  (if (not (provided? 'snd-edit-menu.scm))
    (load-from-path "edit-menu.scm"))
  (if (not (provided? 'snd-marks-menu.scm)) 
    (load-from-path "marks-menu.scm"))
  (if (not (provided? 'snd-mix-menu.scm)) 
    (load-from-path "mix-menu.scm"))
  (if (not (provided? 'snd-ws.scm))
    (load-from-path "ws.scm"))
  (if (not (provided? 'snd-snd-motif.scm))     
    (load-from-path "snd-motif.scm"))

which are all generated by the preferences dialog too)

>  So, if I understand the problem, either
> remove the bad value from your ~/.snd file, or at 

No, I think you are misunderstanding me. It's not a
problem of load-path's value but the necessity of it
being established before executing another settings in
.snd_prefs_guile that require it. And also the fact
that the preferences dialog erases it from
.snd_prefs_guile every time you save your preferences
except that you follow the above protocol (pressing
return and changing focus). But the point here is:
that happens even when you don't change the load path,
so any time you forget repeating the return-focus
ceremony before saving preferences, you lost its
setting at .snd_prefs_guile and snd initialization
will be broken next time.

Hope I'm being more clear this time.

Regards,
Carlos



	
	
		
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep  7 06:39:22 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 06:39:22 -0700
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907124049.78017.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907121523.M69738@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <20060907124049.78017.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060907133451.M93205@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Oh!  I see now -- there are probably at least 3 bugs in this
silly thing: the dialog should display the actual value of the
variable, the load-path needs to be set before the prefs file
uses it (duh!), and the 'save' mechanism should not assume
someone else is handling what it confusedly decides is a
default value.  Gad -- how could anything be that broken?

I still can't repeat the segfault -- I've tried to build a version
that is as close as possible to yours (we have different versions
of several libraries), but it's happy -- will poke at it further.



From torstenanders at gmx.de  Thu Sep  7 08:05:37 2006
From: torstenanders at gmx.de (Torsten Anders)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 17:05:37 +0200
Subject: [CM] [OT] Strasheela 0.8.1 has been released
Message-ID: <07ee9d420101933dd0ae6711f05e7516@gmx.de>

[Apologies for multiple postings]

Strasheela is a highly expressive constraint-based music composition 
system. Users declaratively state a music theory and the computer 
generates music which complies with this theory. A theory is formulated 
as a constraint satisfaction problem (CSP) by a set of rules 
(constraints) applied to a music representation in which some aspects 
are expressed by variables (unknowns). Music constraint programming is 
style-independent and is well-suited for highly complex theories (e.g. 
a fully-fledged theory of harmony). Results can be output into various 
formats including MIDI, Lilypond, and Csound.

The installation instructions and other documentation have been 
revised. Support for more output formats has been added, namely ENP and 
Fomus, thus allowing export to Finale and Sibelius. Other extensions 
have been added, and bugfixes have been made.

For more information, please visit http://strasheela.sourceforge.net/

This release can be downloaded from:
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=167225

Best,
Torsten

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Frankstr. 49 ? D-50996 K?ln
Tel: +49-221-3980750
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From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Thu Sep  7 12:59:03 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:59:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] CM tutorial example raises out-of-range error on guile/Snd
In-Reply-To: <AE34A0B3-7907-4692-9111-43C844DB35C3@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <20060907195903.96092.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>

A different error is thrown in each case (standalone
guile with and without ice-9 format):

with ice-9 format)

guile> (list-objects #&pulse :end 10)
0. /usr/share/guile/1.6/ice-9/format.scm:123:19: In
procedure substring in expression (substring
format-string 0 ...):
/usr/share/guile/1.6/ice-9/format.scm:123:19: Argument
3 out of range: 2
ABORT: (out-of-range)

without ice-9 format)

guile> (list-objects #&pulse :end 10)
objects.scm:338:24: In procedure simple-format in
expression (format #t "~d. ~s~%" ...):
objects.scm:338:24: FORMAT: Unsupported format option
~d - use (ice-9 format) instead
ABORT: (misc-error)

Regards,
Carlos

 --- Rick Taube <taube at uiuc.edu> escribi?:

> please let me know if using (ice-9 format) this
> fixes the problem,  
> try this:
> 
> 
> (use-modules (ice-9 format))
> 
> (new seq :name 'pulse
>       :subobjects
>       (loop with d = .1
>             for i below 80
>             collect (new midi :time (* i d)
>           :keynum (pickl '(c4 d4 ef4 f4 g4 af4 bf4
> c5))
>           :duration d
>           :amplitude (interp (mod i 8) 0 .25 7
> .75))))
> 
> (list-objects #&pulse :end 3)
> 
> 
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From johannes.quint at web.de  Fri Sep  8 03:54:52 2006
From: johannes.quint at web.de (johannes.quint at web.de)
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 12:54:52 +0200
Subject: [CM] channel-tuning
Message-ID: <m2fyf239xf.fsf@iMac.local>

is it possible to work with 3 different midi-instruments all using quarter-tone-playback?
which 'channel-tuning'-setting i have to choose?

thanks for help. johannes
 
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From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Sep  8 04:58:52 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:58:52 -0500
Subject: [CM] channel-tuning
In-Reply-To: <m2fyf239xf.fsf@iMac.local>
References: <m2fyf239xf.fsf@iMac.local>
Message-ID: <1BCCCD0F-EA2E-4D77-A182-B23EA63245C8@uiuc.edu>

>
> is it possible to work with 3 different midi-instruments all using  
> quarter-tone-playback?

sure but realize that when floating point keynums get written to  
files their actual channel values are ignored, ie the notes are  
assigned to the appropriately tuned channel in the stream. this means  
that you lose channel information in the file for retuned notes.

> which 'channel-tuning'-setting i have to choose?

the value is the number of divisinos per halfstep so doing ':channel- 
tuning 2' gives quarter-tone resolution, ie

	(events (foo) "qt.mid" :channel-tuning 2)

means that channels 0 and 1 will be used for quarter tones quantization.


in a related matter, import-events now parses floating point keynums  
from midi files if you specify :channel-tuning t to it. this is not  
documented yet.


On Sep 8, 2006, at 5:54 AM, johannes.quint at web.de wrote:

>
> thanks for help. johannes
>
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Sep  8 05:28:43 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:28:43 -0700
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060907113306.50105.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060907111344.M30222@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <20060907113306.50105.qmail@web50313.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060908122700.M79390@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

I think the preferences dialog segfault is caused by the line

*spectrogramColor: -1

in Snd.ad -- I totally forgot about this file (hooray for X resources).




From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Sep  8 08:23:11 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:23:11 -0500
Subject: [CM] channel-tuning
In-Reply-To: <1BCCCD0F-EA2E-4D77-A182-B23EA63245C8@uiuc.edu>
References: <m2fyf239xf.fsf@iMac.local> <1BCCCD0F-EA2E-4D77-A182-B23EA63245C8@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <AEB6A4BC-719E-4B5E-8DEB-F33995A5B4D1@uiuc.edu>

rev 1.37 of src/midi3.scm fixes a bug in importing floating point  
keynums and adds a :pitch-bend-width arg which defaults to 2 (whole- 
step)

(import-events "foo.mid" :channel-tuning t)




From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Sep  8 23:11:52 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:11:52 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [CM] CM tutorial example raises out-of-range error on guile/Snd
In-Reply-To: <20060907195903.96092.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060909061152.55429.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>

Just want to add that I have tested the same code
fragment against guile 1.8 and it run as smooth as
silk. So the previous report applies at least for
guile 1.6.x (off-the-shelf debian package), but not
for the newer 1.8.x series.

Regards,
Carlos

 --- Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar>
escribi?:

> A different error is thrown in each case (standalone
> guile with and without ice-9 format):
> 
> with ice-9 format)
> 
> guile> (list-objects #&pulse :end 10)
> 0. /usr/share/guile/1.6/ice-9/format.scm:123:19: In
> procedure substring in expression (substring
> format-string 0 ...):
> /usr/share/guile/1.6/ice-9/format.scm:123:19:
> Argument
> 3 out of range: 2
> ABORT: (out-of-range)
> 
> without ice-9 format)
> 
> guile> (list-objects #&pulse :end 10)
> objects.scm:338:24: In procedure simple-format in
> expression (format #t "~d. ~s~%" ...):
> objects.scm:338:24: FORMAT: Unsupported format
> option
> ~d - use (ice-9 format) instead
> ABORT: (misc-error)
> 
> Regards,
> Carlos
> 
>  --- Rick Taube <taube at uiuc.edu> escribi?:
> 
> > please let me know if using (ice-9 format) this
> > fixes the problem,  
> > try this:
> > 
> > 
> > (use-modules (ice-9 format))
> > 
> > (new seq :name 'pulse
> >       :subobjects
> >       (loop with d = .1
> >             for i below 80
> >             collect (new midi :time (* i d)
> >           :keynum (pickl '(c4 d4 ef4 f4 g4 af4 bf4
> > c5))
> >           :duration d
> >           :amplitude (interp (mod i 8) 0 .25 7
> > .75))))
> > 
> > (list-objects #&pulse :end 3)
> > 
> > 
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From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Fri Sep  8 23:33:46 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 03:33:46 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [CM] Two minor bugs in snd-8 preferences menu
In-Reply-To: <20060908122700.M79390@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20060909063346.96144.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com>

Glad to read you found out it. Is the default taken
from Snd.ad? If it is, where should I place that file?
Or perhaps I have to set the property in .Xresources,
haven't I? I'm in doubt because of the "disclaimer" on
top of the distributed Snd.ad:

! Snd app-defaults -- these defaults are already taken
care of in Snd,
!   so this file is redundant unless something is
changed.
!   Actually, since I forget this file even exists,
it's best not to use it.

Thank you very much.
Regards,
Carlos

 --- Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
escribi?:

> I think the preferences dialog segfault is caused by
> the line
> 
> *spectrogramColor: -1
> 
> in Snd.ad -- I totally forgot about this file
> (hooray for X resources).
> 
> 
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From david.kamp at gmx.de  Sat Sep  9 04:39:00 2006
From: david.kamp at gmx.de (David Kamp)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:39:00 +0200
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
Message-ID: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de>

Hello List.
Im a common music newbie, just finished a course at University using it,
So first: hi everybody!

Now my Question:
What possibillities are there to develop "Applications" based on  
Common Music?
The Idea is to build something (with some kind of gui maybe) i could  
pass on to my friends to play around with,
without having them to mess with stuff like Lisp compilers, the  
common music sources etcetera...

Would this work?

What would be the process to convert some nice working common music  
code to a nice looking user friendly application?
Any hints to point me in the right direction are greatly appreciated...

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but im just starting out...
Thanks,
David.



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 06:58:18 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:58:18 -0500
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu>

> What possibillities are there to develop "Applications" based on  
> Common Music?

if you look on cm's sourceforge File Release page you will see that  
for osx i save an "application" version of the stable cm branch that  
works out-of-the-box if you have Aquamacs Emacs installed. (I dont do  
this for linux because these folks are generally comfortable  
assembling software  from scratch). this could be done for the  
unstable-branch as well if some mechanism were added to auto-download  
newer sources under the application (M-x update-system cm clm ) ??

> The Idea is to build something (with some kind of gui maybe) i  
> could pass on to my friends to play around with,
> without having them to mess with stuff like Lisp compilers, the  
> common music sources etcetera...

A laudable goal, however Emacs and Lisp syntax will be HUGE hurdles  
for people (non-technical composers) that want to learn about  
algorithmic composition, in my opinon your wish to "pass on to my  
friends to play around with" is very optimistic... I have very   
intelligent students that -- even after a semeseter's study -- are  
still frustrated trying to express even simple ideas in the emacs/ 
lisp environment. but go for it! the holy-grail would be a cross- 
platform, non-emacs "gui" that integrated graphics (plotting and  
notation) with text-based algorithmic development with/without lisp  
syntax. A few years ago I had really hoped that gtk would be the  
answer for the GUI side and i actually started this work, but even  
now there is still no native version on osx and i wont do any more  
gtk until i see at least that (in my lab cm's gtk gui takes more than  
a minute to open a window, its a joke) SO im in a holding pattern for  
gui work, as usual. in the meantime two true cross-platform gui tool  
kits have surfacec that might allow some way to move foward: wx and  
JUCE. JUCE look particularly interesting. and FOMUS does an amazingly  
good job of translating generated events into a notation. so perhaps  
the pieces are there.






From david.kamp at gmx.de  Sat Sep  9 07:17:20 2006
From: david.kamp at gmx.de (David Kamp)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 16:17:20 +0200
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de>

Thanks for the quick response. Juce looks really interesting,  
allthough i never tried C++ until now...
But what i meant by the "things to pass on to my frieds to play  
around with" were "finished applications" that do just a simple task.
Let me put it that way: I programm something in CM thats generates  
MIDI Drumloops  for example.
And now i want to turn this into a small little app, that does just  
this, with maybe 3 Number boxes/sliders with parameters,
a nice knob called "generate" and thats it.
Is this possible? And what would i need to do it?
Thanks,
David.



On 09.09.2006, at 15:58, Rick Taube wrote:

>> What possibillities are there to develop "Applications" based on  
>> Common Music?
>
> if you look on cm's sourceforge File Release page you will see that  
> for osx i save an "application" version of the stable cm branch  
> that works out-of-the-box if you have Aquamacs Emacs installed. (I  
> dont do this for linux because these folks are generally  
> comfortable assembling software  from scratch). this could be done  
> for the unstable-branch as well if some mechanism were added to  
> auto-download newer sources under the application (M-x update- 
> system cm clm ) ??
>
>> The Idea is to build something (with some kind of gui maybe) i  
>> could pass on to my friends to play around with,
>> without having them to mess with stuff like Lisp compilers, the  
>> common music sources etcetera...
>
> A laudable goal, however Emacs and Lisp syntax will be HUGE hurdles  
> for people (non-technical composers) that want to learn about  
> algorithmic composition, in my opinon your wish to "pass on to my  
> friends to play around with" is very optimistic... I have very   
> intelligent students that -- even after a semeseter's study -- are  
> still frustrated trying to express even simple ideas in the emacs/ 
> lisp environment. but go for it! the holy-grail would be a cross- 
> platform, non-emacs "gui" that integrated graphics (plotting and  
> notation) with text-based algorithmic development with/without lisp  
> syntax. A few years ago I had really hoped that gtk would be the  
> answer for the GUI side and i actually started this work, but even  
> now there is still no native version on osx and i wont do any more  
> gtk until i see at least that (in my lab cm's gtk gui takes more  
> than a minute to open a window, its a joke) SO im in a holding  
> pattern for gui work, as usual. in the meantime two true cross- 
> platform gui tool kits have surfacec that might allow some way to  
> move foward: wx and JUCE. JUCE look particularly interesting. and  
> FOMUS does an amazingly good job of translating generated events  
> into a notation. so perhaps the pieces are there.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 07:33:58 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 09:33:58 -0500
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu>

On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:17 AM, David Kamp wrote:

> Thanks for the quick response. Juce looks really interesting,  
> allthough i never tried C++ until now...
> But what i meant by the "things to pass on to my frieds to play  
> around with" were "finished applications" that do just a simple task.
> Let me put it that way: I programm something in CM thats generates  
> MIDI Drumloops  for example.
> And now i want to turn this into a small little app, that does just  
> this, with maybe 3 Number boxes/sliders with parameters,
> a nice knob called "generate" and thats it.
> Is this possible? And what would i need to do it?
> Thanks,
> David.

its certainly possible right now if you have gtk installed on your  
machine and use either openmcl, sbcl or cmucl. you can see all the  
widgets you require in the graphics on this page:

	http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/dict/cmio-topic.html

info on cm-gtk is here:

	http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/install.html#cm-gtk

look in cm-gtkl/cmio.lisp for how do do it.

perhaps an even easier way would be to create a MENU of such items  
and add it to Emacs's lisp-mode with calls to cm that do what you want.
look in cm/etc/xemacs/cm.el for how to make an Emacs menu and send  
commands to CM from an emacs buffer.








From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 08:03:56 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:03:56 -0500
Subject: [CM] CM tutorial example raises out-of-range error on guile/Snd
In-Reply-To: <20060909061152.55429.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060909061152.55429.qmail@web50310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DE3C6F7C-E92F-406A-95EB-8996B28759DC@uiuc.edu>

thank you for testing. i think i wont patch code for guile versions <  
1.7. i will update the readme for supported lisps.
--rick


On Sep 9, 2006, at 1:11 AM, Carlos Pita wrote:

>
> Just want to add that I have tested the same code
> fragment against guile 1.8 and it run as smooth as
> silk. So the previous report applies at least for
> guile 1.6.x (off-the-shelf debian package), but not
> for the newer 1.8.x series.
>
> Regards,
> Carlos
>



From mperti at ciudad.com.ar  Sat Sep  9 09:12:39 2006
From: mperti at ciudad.com.ar (M. Perticone)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 13:12:39 -0300
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii>

hello

i think david is thinking about a self-contained distributable app. i think
this is not possible, at least right now. am i wrong?
best,
marcelo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Taube" <taube at uiuc.edu>
To: "David Kamp" <david.kamp at gmx.de>
Cc: <Cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CM] Building applications with CM?


>
> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:17 AM, David Kamp wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the quick response. Juce looks really interesting,
> > allthough i never tried C++ until now...
> > But what i meant by the "things to pass on to my frieds to play
> > around with" were "finished applications" that do just a simple task.
> > Let me put it that way: I programm something in CM thats generates
> > MIDI Drumloops  for example.
> > And now i want to turn this into a small little app, that does just
> > this, with maybe 3 Number boxes/sliders with parameters,
> > a nice knob called "generate" and thats it.
> > Is this possible? And what would i need to do it?
> > Thanks,
> > David.
>
> its certainly possible right now if you have gtk installed on your
> machine and use either openmcl, sbcl or cmucl. you can see all the
> widgets you require in the graphics on this page:
>
> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/dict/cmio-topic.html
>
> info on cm-gtk is here:
>
> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/install.html#cm-gtk
>
> look in cm-gtkl/cmio.lisp for how do do it.
>
> perhaps an even easier way would be to create a MENU of such items
> and add it to Emacs's lisp-mode with calls to cm that do what you want.
> look in cm/etc/xemacs/cm.el for how to make an Emacs menu and send
> commands to CM from an emacs buffer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 10:24:38 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 12:24:38 -0500
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu> <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii>
Message-ID: <8F66BC17-F36C-448F-BCAC-4447BB5B8423@uiuc.edu>

> i think david is thinking about a self-contained distributable app.  
> i think
> this is not possible, at least right now. am i wrong?
> best,
> marcelo
>


thats what CM.app is -- EVERYTHING is installed under the application  
directory; to install you drag the application icon to your  
harddrive, then double-click it to starts CM under Emacs (if you have  
emacs installed) else in a terminal if you dont.
so its just like Lisp-In-a-Box ( http://www.gigamonkeys.com/ 
lispbox/ ) except that i dont ship Emacs.

im not sure how i could make it more self-contained, except of course  
to use JUCE or Wx to turn cm into true gui app witth its own editor.






From testcase at asu.edu  Sat Sep  9 10:07:18 2006
From: testcase at asu.edu (todd ingalls)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 10:07:18 -0700
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu> <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii>
Message-ID: <F2B16FE4-E051-4396-BF0E-1436B994E358@asu.edu>

this would actually be possible - i have used SWIG to create bindings  
for Juce and been able to make very simple GUI apps. I want to  
continue this w/ Rick after I am finished with a current project.


On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:12 AM, M. Perticone wrote:

> hello
>
> i think david is thinking about a self-contained distributable app.  
> i think
> this is not possible, at least right now. am i wrong?
> best,
> marcelo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick Taube" <taube at uiuc.edu>
> To: "David Kamp" <david.kamp at gmx.de>
> Cc: <Cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [CM] Building applications with CM?
>
>
>>
>> On Sep 9, 2006, at 9:17 AM, David Kamp wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response. Juce looks really interesting,
>>> allthough i never tried C++ until now...
>>> But what i meant by the "things to pass on to my frieds to play
>>> around with" were "finished applications" that do just a simple  
>>> task.
>>> Let me put it that way: I programm something in CM thats generates
>>> MIDI Drumloops  for example.
>>> And now i want to turn this into a small little app, that does just
>>> this, with maybe 3 Number boxes/sliders with parameters,
>>> a nice knob called "generate" and thats it.
>>> Is this possible? And what would i need to do it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> David.
>>
>> its certainly possible right now if you have gtk installed on your
>> machine and use either openmcl, sbcl or cmucl. you can see all the
>> widgets you require in the graphics on this page:
>>
>> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/dict/cmio-topic.html
>>
>> info on cm-gtk is here:
>>
>> http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/install.html#cm-gtk
>>
>> look in cm-gtkl/cmio.lisp for how do do it.
>>
>> perhaps an even easier way would be to create a MENU of such items
>> and add it to Emacs's lisp-mode with calls to cm that do what you  
>> want.
>> look in cm/etc/xemacs/cm.el for how to make an Emacs menu and send
>> commands to CM from an emacs buffer.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>
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From david.kamp at gmx.de  Sat Sep  9 13:44:23 2006
From: david.kamp at gmx.de (David Kamp)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:44:23 +0200
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <8F66BC17-F36C-448F-BCAC-4447BB5B8423@uiuc.edu>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu> <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii> <8F66BC17-F36C-448F-BCAC-4447BB5B8423@uiuc.edu>
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Yeah. I want to create a small app, something where the users just  
controls some parameters.
(without letting the user ever see  Scheme/LISP code)
Then there is some CM stuff happening internally and
-dadah!!!-
The Users gets a wav/midifile.
The target user would be more like a  "consumer".
I create something cool in CM, make an app out of it and the user  
uses the app for its single task.
(making GM-drumbeats or whatever.)

How would i turn some CM programming into a self contained Application?
Again, im new to this so please be patient  ;-)
David.






On 09.09.2006, at 19:24, Rick Taube wrote:

>> i think david is thinking about a self-contained distributable  
>> app. i think
>> this is not possible, at least right now. am i wrong?
>> best,
>> marcelo
>>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 15:55:55 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 17:55:55 -0500
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <E06B59BF-459D-401B-A490-40E87BF992A1@gmx.de>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu> <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii> <8F66BC17-F36C-448F-BCAC-4447BB5B8423@uiuc.edu> <E06B59BF-459D-401B-A490-40E87BF992A1@gmx.de>
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> How would i turn some CM programming into a self contained  
> Application?
> Again, im new to this so please be patient  ;-)

  if you want to pop up a gtk window from within cm that does what  
you want its entirely possible. it would also be simple enough to  
write, say,  a shell command that starts cm with appropriate input  
parameeters and exits after generating a midi file.

but  these days most programs  require  external libraries or have  
install scripts that provide their own that they link to dynamically.  
so "self-contained Application" is proably a myth in any language.

--rick



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep  9 16:06:19 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:06:19 -0500
Subject: [CM] Building applications with CM?
In-Reply-To: <001501c6d460$8a037870$fa9fd4c9@piii>
References: <79FF3897-2BB2-461C-87B8-5C7C17AF9399@gmx.de> <C8DB3DD3-1296-458E-AC9D-581D2836626A@uiuc.edu> <5C942D12-558D-48B9-BB76-078B1FB98A90@gmx.de> <DB708498-B2DB-4E66-A7E5-E860404BCBEE@uiuc.edu> <005101c6d42a$c619c390$fa9fd4c9@piii> <8F66BC17-F36C-448F-BCAC-4447BB5B8423@uiuc.edu> <002301c6d446$ee41b280$fa9fd4c9@piii> <F79303F8-9858-4E43-AD5C-18489FCEF633@uiuc.edu> <001501c6d460$8a037870$fa9fd4c9@piii>
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On Sep 9, 2006, at 5:37 PM, M. Perticone wrote:

>  if cm works with
> lisp-in-a-box, that would be nice.

cm, like lisp-in-a-box, is ASDF based so it should be trivial to load  
it into a running lisp-in-a-box. simply add the cm tree to whereever  
lisp in a box keeps its libraries and then do

	(oos 'load-op :cm)




From chris_melen at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 11 21:16:26 2006
From: chris_melen at yahoo.com (christopher melen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 05:16:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CM] Music?
Message-ID: <20060912041626.15019.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

This list is mainly for technical issues/discussion,
obviously, but I was wondering if there is any info
available on music composed using CM/CLM? All I've
come across is the stuff in Rick's book.

Many thanks,
Chris


	
	
		
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From taube at uiuc.edu  Tue Sep 12 04:57:43 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 06:57:43 -0500
Subject: [CM] Music?
In-Reply-To: <20060912041626.15019.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060912041626.15019.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F4B3CB1D-7DF7-42E9-9F31-7013F7346A24@uiuc.edu>

i assembled a list some years ago when i went up for tenure. i  
collected 50 pieces or so titles from people that replied to my  
query. it would be much easier if there was some sort of wiki where  
people that wanted to could add their entires with links to mp3s etc.  
--rick

On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:16 PM, christopher melen wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This list is mainly for technical issues/discussion,
> obviously, but I was wondering if there is any info
> available on music composed using CM/CLM? All I've
> come across is the stuff in Rick's book.
>
> Many thanks,
> Chris
>
>
> 	
> 	
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From david.kamp at gmx.de  Tue Sep 12 07:44:02 2006
From: david.kamp at gmx.de (David Kamp)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 16:44:02 +0200
Subject: [CM] Forum for Common Music Pieces
In-Reply-To: <F4B3CB1D-7DF7-42E9-9F31-7013F7346A24@uiuc.edu>
References: <20060912041626.15019.qmail@web54308.mail.yahoo.com> <F4B3CB1D-7DF7-42E9-9F31-7013F7346A24@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <E0AB1C63-6167-44A1-963F-3E0FA9FB065A@gmx.de>

I just set up a forum for the purpose of sharing pieces composed with  
Common Music as well as some general discussion...

you can find it here:
http://cm.iforumer.com/



Hope to see you there...
And spread the news to everyone who might be interested.

Cheers,
David.





> i assembled a list some years ago when i went up for tenure. i  
> collected 50 pieces or so titles from people that replied to my  
> query. it would be much easier if there was some sort of wiki where  
> people that wanted to could add their entires with links to mp3s  
> etc. --rick
>
> On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:16 PM, christopher melen wrote:
>



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Sep 12 10:30:21 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:30:21 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 8.4
Message-ID: <20060912172838.M79839@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Snd 8.4

many ruby, forth, and sndins-related improvements from Mike including new file: analog-filter.rb.
  "scheme" instead of "guile" in various names in inf-snd.el (for gauche)

improvements in strad.ins and bandedwg.ins from Juan Reyes

snd_frg.scm thanks to Olivier Doare

I was mainly fixing bugs -- my TODO list has only 97 entries!

granulated-sound-interp (examp.scm)

display-bark-fft (dsp.scm) -- spectral display using bark, erb, and mel scales

def-optkey-instrument (ws.scm)

new optional argument to graph -- lisp graph axis choice
new axis choice --show-bare-x-axis
snd-color
snd-font
after-lisp-graph-hook
removed vu-font and vu-size, added vu-in-dB
removed spectrogramColor X resource

checked: ruby 1.8.5, sbcl 0.9.15|16, gtk 2.10.2|3, fth 0.10.22

Thanks: Mike Scholz, Anders Vinjar, Kjetil Matheussen, Bill Sack, Pam & Harold Norris,
    Juan Reyes, Daniel Stahl, Michael Edwards, Carlos Pita


sourceforge seems to be unresponsive right now, so I'll deal with it and
freshmeat tomorrow.



From chris_melen at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 12 10:39:51 2006
From: chris_melen at yahoo.com (christopher melen)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:39:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [CM] Forum for Common Music Pieces
In-Reply-To: <E0AB1C63-6167-44A1-963F-3E0FA9FB065A@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <20060912173952.93192.qmail@web54303.mail.yahoo.com>

Excellent!

I think it's important (aswell as extremely useful,
from a didactic point of view) to see how people are
actually using CM and CLM to create music... After
all, that's what it's all about.

Best wishes,
Chris

--- David Kamp <david.kamp at gmx.de> wrote:

> I just set up a forum for the purpose of sharing
> pieces composed with  
> Common Music as well as some general discussion...
> 
> you can find it here:
> http://cm.iforumer.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Hope to see you there...
> And spread the news to everyone who might be
> interested.
> 
> Cheers,
> David.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > i assembled a list some years ago when i went up
> for tenure. i  
> > collected 50 pieces or so titles from people that
> replied to my  
> > query. it would be much easier if there was some
> sort of wiki where  
> > people that wanted to could add their entires with
> links to mp3s  
> > etc. --rick
> >
> > On Sep 11, 2006, at 11:16 PM, christopher melen
> wrote:
> >
> 
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From juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep 14 16:40:27 2006
From: juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Juan I Reyes)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 19:40:27 -0400
Subject: [CM] lisp loop iteration in cm
Message-ID: <1158277228.27462.23.camel@strawberry>

Hi Rick,

I have been trying to implement the following Lisp function for the
Henon map in CM with no success. Perhaps I am missing something in the
way loops are implemented in CM and therefore I thought may be you could
guide me a little o bit or give some clues on how would be the best way
to deal with this sort of Lisp loops in CM. I just want to output a MIDI
note after each Iteration inside a dotimes Lisp loop and update present
and past values.

  Thanks a lot!

  --* Juan

;;;
;;; normalize output from Henon function
;;;
(defun midinormz (x)
  (let ((offset 1.0)
	(maxinput 2.0)
	(slope 1.25)
	(maxoutput 127.0)
	(c 0.75)
	(lowbound 15))
    (floor (+ (* (/ (+ x offset) (* maxinput slope))
		 (+ maxoutput c))
	      lowbound)) ))

;;;
;;; Henon map function with initial conditions:
;;;
(defun henon (cycl &key
		(a -1.85039)  ;; a=-1.56693 b= -0.011811
		(b 0.003937)
		(x 0.63135448)
		(y  0.18940634) )
  (dotimes (i cycl)
    (let ((newx (+ (* a (expt x 2)) (* b y) 1))
	  (newy x))
      (setf x newx)
      (setf y newy))
    (format t ";;; henon values: X: ~f Y: ~f  ~%" (midinormz x)
(midinormz y))
    ))

;;; (henon 12)



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Sep 15 11:47:08 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:47:08 -0700
Subject: [CM] radium -> cmn
Message-ID: <20060915184635.M83108@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Kjetil Matheussen has added two files to the CMN package:
rad2cmn.lisp and example.rad.  rad2cmn.lisp can create
scores from music created with the graphical music editor 
"Radium":

    http://www.notam02.no/radium/

Thank you!



From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Sep 16 10:44:20 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 14:44:20 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [CM] run (guile) type declarations
Message-ID: <20060916174420.50356.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all!

Suppose I have the following simple additive
instrument definition, which envelopes its spectrum in
half a sin period:

(definstrument (add beg dur freq amp)
  (let* ((start (seconds->samples beg))
         (end (+ start (seconds->samples dur)))
         (vec (make-vector 20)))
    (do ((i 0 (1+ i))) ((= i 20))
      (vector-set! vec i (make-oscil (* (1+ i) 100))))
    (run
     (lambda ()
       ; (declare env float)
       (do ((i start (1+ i))) ((= i end))
         ; (declare env float)
         (let ((sum 0.0))
           ; (declare env float)
           (do ((j 0 (1+ j))
                (env 0 (+ (/ pi 20.) env)))
               ((= j 20))
             ; (declare env float)
             (set! sum (+ sum (* (sin env) (oscil
(vector-ref vec j))))))
           (outa i (* amp .05 sum) *output*)))))))

When running it with optimization level 4 it simply
generates a zero constant wave. I guess it have to do
with the env variable being taken as an int instead of
a floating point number. In fact, if I replace (env 0
...) by (env 0.0 ...) it works fine even for opt level
4. Is there a way to achieve the same effect by adding
a type declaration somewhere? I try putting (declare
env float) in every commented out place above but
neither of them seems to be honoured. I'm not sure
about where to put the declaration or whether it is a
valid one.

Can you help me?

Thank you in advance.
Best regards,
Carlos


	
	
		
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Sep 16 11:20:26 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:20:26 -0700
Subject: [CM] run (guile) type declarations
In-Reply-To: <20060916174420.50356.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060916174420.50356.qmail@web50303.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060916181858.M19356@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Here's one way:

(definstrument (add beg dur freq amp) 
 (let* ((start (seconds->samples beg)) 
        (end (+ start (seconds->samples dur))) 
        (vec (make-vector 20))
        (env 0))
   (do ((i 0 (1+ i))) ((= i 20)) 
     (vector-set! vec i (make-oscil (* (1+ i) 100)))) 
   (run 
    (lambda () 
      (declare env float) 
      (do ((i start (1+ i))) 
          ((= i end)) 
        (let ((sum 0.0)) 
          (do ((j 0 (1+ j)))
              ((= j 20)) 
            (set! sum (+ sum (* (sin env) (oscil (vector-ref vec j)))))
            (set! env (+ env (/ pi 20.))))
          (outa i (* amp .05 sum) *output*)))))))

but it seems perverse -- I'll look into making the optimizer's type checker smarter
about this sort of case.



From mari at freeshell.org  Sat Sep 16 11:36:39 2006
From: mari at freeshell.org (Mari Masuda)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 11:36:39 -0700
Subject: [CM] *clm-file-buffer-size*
Message-ID: <71F4AC51-A676-43CD-BA12-92B1AA25E6A8@freeshell.org>

A simple question: in what unit of measure is *clm-file-buffer-size*  
given?  Kilobytes of RAM?  Thank you.



From carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar  Sat Sep 16 11:37:27 2006
From: carlosjosepita at yahoo.com.ar (Carlos Pita)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 18:37:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [CM] run (guile) type declarations
In-Reply-To: <20060916181858.M19356@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <20060916183727.99685.qmail@web50311.mail.yahoo.com>

The moral here is that declare should go immediately
below the run lambda and predicate only of variables
bound in the outer (non-optimized) scope, isn't it?


 --- Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
escribi?:

> Here's one way:
> 
> (definstrument (add beg dur freq amp) 
>  (let* ((start (seconds->samples beg)) 
>         (end (+ start (seconds->samples dur))) 
>         (vec (make-vector 20))
>         (env 0))
>    (do ((i 0 (1+ i))) ((= i 20)) 
>      (vector-set! vec i (make-oscil (* (1+ i)
> 100)))) 
>    (run 
>     (lambda () 
>       (declare env float) 
>       (do ((i start (1+ i))) 
>           ((= i end)) 
>         (let ((sum 0.0)) 
>           (do ((j 0 (1+ j)))
>               ((= j 20)) 
>             (set! sum (+ sum (* (sin env) (oscil
> (vector-ref vec j)))))
>             (set! env (+ env (/ pi 20.))))
>           (outa i (* amp .05 sum) *output*)))))))
> 
> but it seems perverse -- I'll look into making the
> optimizer's type checker smarter
> about this sort of case.
> 
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Sep 16 12:07:43 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:07:43 -0700
Subject: [CM] *clm-file-buffer-size*
In-Reply-To: <71F4AC51-A676-43CD-BA12-92B1AA25E6A8@freeshell.org>
References: <71F4AC51-A676-43CD-BA12-92B1AA25E6A8@freeshell.org>
Message-ID: <20060916190616.M68231@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> A simple question: in what unit of measure is *clm-file-buffer-size*   
> given? 

samples.  If this is Common Lisp, the sample type is probably float.





From juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Sep 16 12:47:26 2006
From: juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Juan Reyes)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:47:26 -0700
Subject: [CM] lisp loop iteration in cm
Message-ID: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>

Hi Rick,

Below is my example for using loop iteration using the Henon Map. If you
change a and b values the algorithm can be more stable or unstable. For
instance a=0.42 and b=-0.99 are also good choices. The initial
conditions x and y of this map can also be changed! 

  --* Juan



;;;; this function maps Henon values to midi note values

(defun midinormz (x)
  (let ((offset 1.0)
	(maxinput 2.0)
	(slope 1.25)
	(maxoutput 127.0)
	(c 0.75)
	(lowbound 15))
    (floor (+ (* (/ (+ x offset) (* maxinput slope))
		 (+ maxoutput c))
	      lowbound)) ))


;;;
;;; Function to generate MIDI notes using the henon map
;;;
;;; http://henon.sapp.org/
;;;

(defun henonseq (cycles rhy dur amp &key
		     (a -1.85039)  ;; a=-1.56693 b= -0.011811
		     (b 0.003937)
		     (x 0.63135448)
		     (y  0.18940634))
  (process repeat cycles
	with newx = 0.00
	with newy = 0.00
	do (progn
	     (setf newx (+ (* a (expt x 2)) (* b y) 1))
	     (setf newy x)
	     (setf x newx)
	     (setf y newy))
	output (new midi :time (now)
		    :duration dur
		    :amplitude amp
		    :keynum (midinormz x))
	wait rhy))

;;; (events (henonseq 12 0.25 0.1 0.7) "henonseq.mid")



From juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Sep 16 12:59:40 2006
From: juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Juan Reyes)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:59:40 -0700
Subject: [CM] arpeggio in snd
Message-ID: <1158436780.7600.23.camel@chryseis>

Now that we are in the mood for Snd's instruments here is an example of
Guile code for Risset's arpeggio documented on Dodge and Jerse's
Computer Music pages 98~102.

  --* Juan

(define arpeggio
  (lambda* (beg dur freq amp
                #:key
                (ampenv '(0 0 0.5 1 1 0))
                (offset 1.0))
      (let* ((start (floor (* beg (srate))))
             (end (+ start (floor (* dur (srate)))))
             (waveshbank (make-vector 12))
             (amp-env (make-env :envelope ampenv
                                :scaler (* amp .25)
                                :start start  
                                :end end))
             (output (make-vct end)))
        (do ((i 0 (1+ i)))
          ((= i 12))
          (vector-set! waveshbank i (make-waveshape
                :frequency (+ freq (* offset (1+ (* i 0.1))))
                :partials '(1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 9))
                       ))
        (do ((i 0 (1+ i)))
            ((= i end))
          (let ((wvsum 0.0))
            (do ((j 0 (1+ j)))
                ((= j 12))
              (set! wvsum
               (+ wvsum (waveshape (vector-ref waveshbank j)))))
            (vct-set! output i (* (env amp-env) wvsum ))))
        (vct->channel output start end ))))

;;;  (load "arpeggio.scm")  
;;;
;;;  (arpeggio 0 10 400 0.5)
;;;  (arpeggio 0 10 400 0.5 :offset 1.25)
;;; 



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep 16 15:14:22 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:14:22 -0500
Subject: [CM] Re: lisp loop iteration in cm
In-Reply-To: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>
References: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>
Message-ID: <C20F2F62-C6BA-4CAE-9950-55A336FB72F7@uiuc.edu>

thanks you beat me to it -- i was going to send you bascially the  
same thing later today
On Sep 16, 2006, at 2:47 PM, Juan Reyes wrote:




From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Sep 16 15:42:10 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2006 17:42:10 -0500
Subject: [CM] lisp loop iteration in cm
In-Reply-To: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>
References: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>
Message-ID: <959E61EF-12CD-411D-8F1B-F935D5A076AC@uiuc.edu>

this version adds the rhythmic element a la http://henon.sapp.org/
also see the Chaos chapter in Notes from the Metalevel, I  think that  
version uses the y value for rhythmic values...


(defun henonseq (cycles rhy dur amp &key
		     (a -1.85039)  ;; a=-1.56693 b= -0.011811
		     (b 0.003937)
		     (x 0.63135448)
		     (y  0.18940634)
		     (low 0) (high 127))
   (process with key and newx = 0.00 and newy = 0.00
	   repeat cycles
	do (progn
	     (setf newx (+ (* a (expt x 2)) (* b y) 1))
	     (setf newy x)
	     (setf x newx)
	     (setf y newy)
	     (setf key (midinormz x)))
	when (<= low key high)
	output (new midi :time (now)
		    :duration dur
		    :amplitude amp
		    :keynum key)
	wait rhy))


(events (henonseq 500 0.125 0.1 0.7 :a -1.56693 :b -0.011811 :x 0 :y 0
		  :low 30 :high 100) "henonseq.mid")



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Sep 17 05:11:41 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2006 05:11:41 -0700
Subject: [CM] arpeggio in snd
In-Reply-To: <1158436780.7600.23.camel@chryseis>
References: <1158436780.7600.23.camel@chryseis>
Message-ID: <20060917120217.M47473@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

I don't have that book handy, but I would have done it more like this:

               :frequency (+ freq (* offset (- i 6) 0.03))
               :partials '(1 1  5 .7  6 .7  7 .7  8 .7  9 .7  10 .7))

(arpeggio 0 10 65 0.5)

There are people, in San Francisco anyway, who can listen to such sounds
for hours.   They send me CDs.



From juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Sep 18 12:28:55 2006
From: juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Juan I Reyes)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:28:55 -0400
Subject: [CM] lisp loop iteration in cm
In-Reply-To: <959E61EF-12CD-411D-8F1B-F935D5A076AC@uiuc.edu>
References: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis>
	 <959E61EF-12CD-411D-8F1B-F935D5A076AC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <1158607735.6083.15.camel@strawberry>

Thanks a lot Rick!

As my understanding now, the 'process' macro behaves very much like the
'loop' macro in CL. This is great and very sophisticated!

Certain (a,b) duplets make the attractor periodic and stable in short
periods. These are very good to map rhythms but they will need to be
constrained to CM's durations. Therefore if I find Henon values which
are too periodic I will constrain them and map them to rhythm.

  --* Juan



From taube at uiuc.edu  Mon Sep 18 12:59:45 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:59:45 -0500
Subject: [CM] lisp loop iteration in cm
In-Reply-To: <1158607735.6083.15.camel@strawberry>
References: <1158436046.7600.16.camel@chryseis> <959E61EF-12CD-411D-8F1B-F935D5A076AC@uiuc.edu> <1158607735.6083.15.camel@strawberry>
Message-ID: <C944AFBA-F777-4FBB-BDE3-E93866DD2C20@uiuc.edu>

On Sep 18, 2006, at 2:28 PM, Juan I Reyes wrote:

>
> Thanks a lot Rick!
>
> As my understanding now, the 'process' macro behaves very much like  
> the
> 'loop' macro in CL. This is great and very sophisticated!

hi juan, its a superset of loop with extra music clauses like output,  
sprout, 'for x OVER <pattern>', wait etc
documentation is here:

	http://commonmusic.sourceforge.net/doc/dict/process-mac.html




From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Mon Sep 18 16:02:11 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 01:02:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0609190059060.31982@notam02.uio.no>


Download from http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~kjetil/src/


Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND.
Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want
to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve
as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up.



Changes 0.9.6.2 -> 0.9.7.0
---------------------------
-Updated Snd from 8.0/2.4.2006 to 8.4/13.9.2006. Many important fixes.
-Added --fast-math as default cflags option.
-Various fixes.




From juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Sep 19 10:02:15 2006
From: juanig at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Juan I Reyes)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:02:15 -0400
Subject: [CM] arpeggio in snd
In-Reply-To: <20060917120217.M47473@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <1158436780.7600.23.camel@chryseis>
	 <20060917120217.M47473@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <1158685335.9794.9.camel@strawberry>

Hi Bill

My choice of partials was because some people (composers I bet) say that
sawtooth waveforms outline better the 'out-of-phase' effect. But I
should say that your choice of partials is nice and smooth if I have to
use a composer's or rather a listener's adjective.
 
 --* Juan 


> I don't have that book handy, but I would have done it more like this:
> 
>                :frequency (+ freq (* offset (- i 6) 0.03))
>                :partials '(1 1  5 .7  6 .7  7 .7  8 .7  9 .7  10 .7))
> 
> (arpeggio 0 10 65 0.5)
> 




From j_hearon at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 20 22:14:45 2006
From: j_hearon at hotmail.com (James Hearon)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 05:14:45 +0000
Subject: [CM] stuck on cm in emacs, w/ xp
Message-ID: <BAY111-F343A779C1947B45F9C3619E5200@phx.gbl>

Hi,
Newbie trying to start cm in emacs under xp.  Unsure about .el or .emacs 
file, and where it belongs.

I'm using: Win XP, w/command-prompt

lisp is clisp in
lispbox-0.7
which includes
emacs-21.3
slime-2005-12-27
Clisp-2.37

Have
CM 2.9.1 and working cm.bat in CM

run Lispbox.bat in command-prompt which starts emacs:

CLIPS Port:1288 Pid: 3822
; SLIME 2005-12-27
CL-USER>

But when i type M-x cm, i get no value.


directories under Lispbox-0.7:
Clisp-2.37
emacs-21.3
portableaserve-20051204.214932
practical-1.0.3
slime-20060110

I have tried placing init.el, and/or naming it init.emacs, and placing it in 
emacs-21.3 subdirectories including bin, etc, lisp, site-lisp

--------------------------------
(defvar cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm")

(defvar cm-startfile "cm.bat")

(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm/xemacs"))
       (bin (concat cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm/bin/"
                    cm-startfile))
       (load-path (cons els load-path)))
  (load "listener")
  (load "cm")
  (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))




From taube at uiuc.edu  Thu Sep 21 04:50:26 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 06:50:26 -0500
Subject: [CM] stuck on cm in emacs, w/ xp
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-F343A779C1947B45F9C3619E5200@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-F343A779C1947B45F9C3619E5200@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2B41D75F-4B1E-4347-8325-95EF8D7C7BC1@uiuc.edu>

> Hi,
> Newbie trying to start cm in emacs under xp.  Unsure about .el  
> or .emacs file, and where it belongs.


IM not sure where xp xemacs puts its init.el file either. Look under  
the Xemacs Options menu for an item that says "save init file" or  
"save settings" or something like that and see where it writes the  
"init.el" file.

That is the file that you need to edit.
Once know where that file is add this to it:

(require 'slime)
(slime-setup)
(load "C:/utah/opt/cm/etc/xemacs/cm.el")
(setq cm-program "C:/utah/opt/cm/bin/cm.bat")
(enable-cm-commands)

then save the file and restart your emacs. at that point 'M-x cm'  
should start up cm using your bat file.


>
> I'm using: Win XP, w/command-prompt
>
> lisp is clisp in
> lispbox-0.7
> which includes
> emacs-21.3
> slime-2005-12-27
> Clisp-2.37
>
> Have
> CM 2.9.1 and working cm.bat in CM
>
> run Lispbox.bat in command-prompt which starts emacs:
>
> CLIPS Port:1288 Pid: 3822
> ; SLIME 2005-12-27
> CL-USER>
>
> But when i type M-x cm, i get no value.
>
>
> directories under Lispbox-0.7:
> Clisp-2.37
> emacs-21.3
> portableaserve-20051204.214932
> practical-1.0.3
> slime-20060110
>
> I have tried placing init.el, and/or naming it init.emacs, and  
> placing it in emacs-21.3 subdirectories including bin, etc, lisp,  
> site-lisp
>
> --------------------------------
> (defvar cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm")
>
> (defvar cm-startfile "cm.bat")
>
> (let* ((els (concat cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm/xemacs"))
>       (bin (concat cm-directory "C:/utah/opt/cm/bin/"
>                    cm-startfile))
>       (load-path (cons els load-path)))
>  (load "listener")
>  (load "cm")
>  (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
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From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Sep 22 04:44:23 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 06:44:23 -0500
Subject: [CM] stuck on cm in emacs, w/ xp
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-F25760F3DE242E575E6F645E5210@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY111-F25760F3DE242E575E6F645E5210@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FCB5EB1A-1D93-4C54-830C-49C32551F200@uiuc.edu>

The save options menu item is what you want to use. That command will  
write a file called "custom.el" in some directory, that is the  
directory where you should put the init.el file.

On Sep 22, 2006, at 1:27 AM, James Hearon wrote:

> Hi,
> Thanks.  The lispbox package emacs 21.3 doesn't have anything like  
> that. Only a Save Options Customize Emacs which brings up pages of  
> boxed widgets to punch info into exisiting packages.  No init.el  
> file.  I guess I'm back to trying to find the right lisp/slime/ 
> emacs combo on XP.
>



From renueden at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 27 08:10:20 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:10:20 -0700
Subject: [CM] CM and Csound API
Message-ID: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net>

I am thinking of doing some work on the FFI interface to Csound so cm 
and csound can play together, through the Csound API.  I am primarily 
interested in realtime ouptut, meaning, realtime algorithmic generation, 
realtime midi recording and manipulation of live midi streams, and 
playback etc.  Are their any pointers anyone can provide towards these 
goals?

Also, what is your opinion Rick, on python vs lisp as far as 
development.  It seems alot of people have moved towards python, but I 
see great potential in Common Music, Csound especially with a GUI, I'm 
thinking of Juce from recent discussions.


Thanks for any help,
Ken



From renueden at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 27 09:48:13 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:48:13 -0700
Subject: [CM] CM and Csound API
In-Reply-To: <C4A55A46-651E-4568-B129-46EC3D04E7AD@asu.edu>
References: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net> <C4A55A46-651E-4568-B129-46EC3D04E7AD@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <451AAB4D.4080507@earthlink.net>

I am interested in helping in any way I can.  My skills are fairly 
limited, but my motivation is high.  I have played extensively with all 
manner of commercial software in windows, and for me it is inevitable 
that I create something a bit more personal for my own use, taking the 
best ideas that I have seen.  You seem to be moving towards what I'm 
thinking, so perhaps I should wait for you to put your code in cvs, (you 
mean Csound5 cvs, yes?).  Meanwhile, I'll dig in and get myself setup. 

I have no knowledge of the SndObj lib, does it obliterate the need for 
Csound?  I really like Reaktor, how one can create synths and fx 
processors with presets and call them up.  I am/was hoping to create 
some kind of interface for Csound that can do that, thus my interest in 
Juce.  Same goes for CM.  I really feel the need for a gui of some 
kind.  Are there other gui toolkits that would be better?  I know Rick 
did some work with GTK2. 

Keep me in the loop,
Ken

todd ingalls wrote:
> ken,
> Victor Lazzarini and I have just been talking about this and trying to 
> fix up the CFFI interface so it is workable. What is in csound5 now is 
> just generated from verazzano but I think swig would do a better job 
> and also it is clearer to me how this should work.
>
> i would also like to point out that i have made cffi wrapper for 
> Lazzarini SndObj library and I hope to add this to the cvs for that 
> soon. I also have some additional code that uses portaudio and a few 
> extra classes to define realtime "synths" in lisp and schedule them 
> under rts. I hope to soon add this to cvs so people can start playing 
> with it, but i keep finding extra functionality i want to add as i use 
> it in my own work - i need to stop that and just put the code up 
> somehwere.
>
> as far as Juce goes, i have SWIG code that generates a C wrapper and 
> CFFI bindings for juce. The main issue is that many of the UI classes 
> rely on subclassing a "model" class and a "listener" class and 
> overloading viurtual methods for them to work properly. this is fine 
> but the only way i have been able to determine to make these useable 
> from lisp is to make subclasses of these that have constructors that 
> accept function pointers that are called by the overloaded methods. on 
> top of this my C++ skills are not very good so it is taking soemtime.
>
> if anyone is interested in any of the above please contact me off list 
> and maybe we can set up a group to speed up development.
>
>



From testcase at asu.edu  Wed Sep 27 09:12:02 2006
From: testcase at asu.edu (todd ingalls)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:12:02 -0700
Subject: [CM] CM and Csound API
In-Reply-To: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net>
References: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <C4A55A46-651E-4568-B129-46EC3D04E7AD@asu.edu>

ken,
Victor Lazzarini and I have just been talking about this and trying  
to fix up the CFFI interface so it is workable. What is in csound5  
now is just generated from verazzano but I think swig would do a  
better job and also it is clearer to me how this should work.

i would also like to point out that i have made cffi wrapper for  
Lazzarini SndObj library and I hope to add this to the cvs for that  
soon. I also have some additional code that uses portaudio and a few  
extra classes to define realtime "synths" in lisp and schedule them  
under rts. I hope to soon add this to cvs so people can start playing  
with it, but i keep finding extra functionality i want to add as i  
use it in my own work - i need to stop that and just put the code up  
somehwere.

as far as Juce goes, i have SWIG code that generates a C wrapper and  
CFFI bindings for juce. The main issue is that many of the UI classes  
rely on subclassing a "model" class and a "listener" class and  
overloading viurtual methods for them to work properly. this is fine  
but the only way i have been able to determine to make these useable  
from lisp is to make subclasses of these that have constructors that  
accept function pointers that are called by the overloaded methods.  
on top of this my C++ skills are not very good so it is taking soemtime.

if anyone is interested in any of the above please contact me off  
list and maybe we can set up a group to speed up development.


On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:10 AM, Ken wrote:

> I am thinking of doing some work on the FFI interface to Csound so  
> cm and csound can play together, through the Csound API.  I am  
> primarily interested in realtime ouptut, meaning, realtime  
> algorithmic generation, realtime midi recording and manipulation of  
> live midi streams, and playback etc.  Are their any pointers anyone  
> can provide towards these goals?
>
> Also, what is your opinion Rick, on python vs lisp as far as  
> development.  It seems alot of people have moved towards python,  
> but I see great potential in Common Music, Csound especially with a  
> GUI, I'm thinking of Juce from recent discussions.
>
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From taube at uiuc.edu  Wed Sep 27 11:30:40 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:30:40 -0500
Subject: [CM] CM and Csound API
In-Reply-To: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net>
References: <451A945C.6030203@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <12B462BD-6CC3-419F-895B-80C6887A57D4@uiuc.edu>

On Sep 27, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Ken wrote:

> I am thinking of doing some work on the FFI interface to Csound so  
> cm and csound can play together, through the Csound API.  I am  
> primarily interested in realtime ouptut, meaning, realtime  
> algorithmic generation, realtime midi recording and manipulation of  
> live midi streams, and playback etc.  Are their any pointers anyone  
> can provide towards these goals?

depending on what os/lisp you want to use the basic support for  
realtime algorithmic synth with csound is already there. that is, on  
OSX the rts scheduler works well and can handle scheduling for sort  
of alorithm in real time. realtime MIDI input should also be working  
too for portmidi and for midishare. these should work on linux too,  
but i dont know if anyone is using either rts or cm with portmidi  
there. the main bad news is that if you want to run on windows i  
think rts is hopeless unless some sort of pthread library is available.




From jamesravan at comcast.net  Wed Sep 27 19:16:17 2006
From: jamesravan at comcast.net (James Ravan)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:16:17 -0400
Subject: [CM] CM and Csound API
Message-ID: <451B3071.50601@comcast.net>

 > Rick Taube wrote:
 > thanks for the url. for what its worth, the api
 > that rts uses looks like it is supported; someone
 > with a c compiler and enough interest might be able
 > to get it running in clisp or sbcl.
 >
 >On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:32 PM, James Ravan wrote:
 >
>> Rick Taube wrote:
>>> i think rts is hopeless unless some sort of
>>> pthread library is available.
>>
>> http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32/



From dgeers at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 19:20:05 2006
From: dgeers at gmail.com (Doug Geers)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:20:05 -0500
Subject: [CM] Spark deadline extended
Message-ID: <838326d50609271920v27ab2bd2q66a64b3ca04409c5@mail.gmail.com>

[Apologies for cross postings]

Dear friends,

The  deadline for submissions to the 2007 Spark Festival of Electronic
Music and Art
has been extended to Monday, October 10, 2006.

The Spark festival welcomes submissions of all creative works that
feature  that feature new media elements: electroacoustic music and
electronica, video art, electrified and interactive installations,
dance works, theater, performance art, artbots, and other works that
defy categorization.

For more information, please see http://spark.cla.umn.edu/submissions.html .

Best wishes,

Doug

(Please forward to your friends and listservs!)

Douglas Geers
Assistant Professor, Music Composition
Director, Electronic Music Studios
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities, USA
www.dgeers.com



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep 28 11:15:13 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 11:15:13 -0700
Subject: [CM] Faculty Position Opening at CCRMA
In-Reply-To: <1159466418.22126.22.camel@cmn36.stanford.edu>
References: <1159466418.22126.22.camel@cmn36.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <20060928181457.M32195@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>


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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Thu Sep 28 15:16:32 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 00:16:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush>

Dragan Noveski <perodog at gmx.net>
> hi,
> i tried to compile snd-ls, which was successful, now program starts, but
> when i try to load any .wav i get following message:
>
> can't start file alteration monitor: 0
>
>
> and than nothing happens.
> i have already snd running on my machine, but it does not looks so nice
> like the snd-ls.
> anybody has any idea what is wrong here?
>

That error is ultra-weird.
Which distribution are you running? Have you experienced this error 
before? Are any of your disks full? Do you have something called "FAM"
in your run-level? Can you turn it off?


PS. Please use "Reply All" when replying to messages on mailing lists.
I almost overlooked this one, and its also more relevant to the cmdist 
mailing list than linux-audio-user.



From perodog at gmx.net  Thu Sep 28 16:35:00 2006
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 01:35:00 +0200
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush>
Message-ID: <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net>

Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:
>
> Dragan Noveski <perodog at gmx.net>
>> hi,
>> i tried to compile snd-ls, which was successful, now program starts, but
>> when i try to load any .wav i get following message:
>>
>> can't start file alteration monitor: 0
>>
>>
>> and than nothing happens.
>> i have already snd running on my machine, but it does not looks so nice
>> like the snd-ls.
>> anybody has any idea what is wrong here?
>>
>
> That error is ultra-weird.
> Which distribution are you running? Have you experienced this error 
> before? Are any of your disks full? Do you have something called "FAM"
> in your run-level? Can you turn it off?
look, i am running on debian etch/demudi testing and SND works pretty 
properly and i can load /play files. i never  have seen this error, a 
new window appears with the message described above.
now i have had a look at SND again, and there i have this error-window 
too, but i am pretty sure that this is new(?). however, i am able to 
load and play wav`s with SND.
with snd-ls i am able to hear the sound clicking an a "play selected 
sound" in a "open"dialog, but  the file will not open.
dont know what is "FAM" and how i could find out if it is "in my 
run-level", but typing ps ax i dont find nothing called FAM running, 
actually it is the first time i hear about fam.

here is:

nowhiskey at murija2:~$ snd-ls --help
Snd is a sound editor; see http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/.
Das ist Snd-Version 8.4 of 12-Sep-06:
    Guile: 1.6.8, Xen: 2.4
    jack
    Sndlib 20.0 (28-Mar-06, float samples)
    CLM 3.26 (31-Aug-06)
    GSL 1.8
    fftw-3.1.1-sse2
    Gtk+ 2.8.18, Glib 2.10.3, Pango 1.12.3, Cairo 1.0.4
    LADSPA 1.1, Jack: 0.102.11
    with fam
    mit Large-File-Unterst?tzung
    mit Gettext: de_DE at euro
    Compiled Sep 27 2006 15:46:19
    C: 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)
    Libc: 2.3.6.stable
    host: i686-pc-linux-gnu

------

so, ok now i got it there is a fam listed.
it is all running on a 2.6.13-1 kernel in the moment, but the 
2.6.16-rt13 the issue is the same.
any idea?
what else i could post here about my configuration which would help to 
debugg?


perhaps that:


nowhiskey at murija2:~$ snd --help
Snd is a sound editor; see http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/.
Das ist Snd-Version 8.2 of 23-Jun-06:
    Guile: 1.6.8, Xen: 2.3
    ALSA 1.0.11
    Sndlib 20.0 (28-Mar-06, float samples)
    CLM 3.22 (8-May-06)
    GSL 1.8
    fftw-3.1.1-sse2
    Gtk+ 2.8.18, Glib 2.10.2, Pango 1.12.3, Cairo 1.0.4 (with x11)
    LADSPA 1.1, Jack: 0.102.11
    with fam
    mit Large-File-Unterst?tzung
    mit Gettext: de_DE at euro
    Compiled Jul 19 2006 17:27:36
    C: 4.0.4 20060507 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.3-3)
    Libc: 2.3.6.stable
    host: i686-pc-linux-gnu
    configured via: ./configure --with-gtk --with-alsa --with-jack 
--with-ladspa
 --with-midi --with-guile --with-esd=no --with-x11 --with-x 
--with-static-xm --w
ith-builtin-gtkrc
nowhiskey at murija2:~$

cheers,
doc

>
>
> PS. Please use "Reply All" when replying to messages on mailing lists.
> I almost overlooked this one, and its also more relevant to the cmdist 
> mailing list than linux-audio-user.
>
>
all right



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep 28 16:53:30 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:53:30 -0700
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush> <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

You can build Snd without fam (use the --without-fam configure argument).
The warning you are getting should not cause any subsequent trouble -- it's
just reporting that the file monitor apparently isn't happy.  "fam" refers to
either libfam (old SGI-style), or libgamin (its replacement) -- it's a way
to get an event if a file or a directory changes (rather than polling).



From perodog at gmx.net  Thu Sep 28 17:17:17 2006
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:17:17 +0200
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush> <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net> <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <451C660D.8010903@gmx.net>

Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
> You can build Snd without fam (use the --without-fam configure argument).
> The warning you are getting should not cause any subsequent trouble -- it's
> just reporting that the file monitor apparently isn't happy.  "fam" refers to
> either libfam (old SGI-style), or libgamin (its replacement) -- it's a way
> to get an event if a file or a directory changes (rather than polling).
>
>
>   
ok, that works, but the real issue was on kjetils snd-ls package, which 
is already very nice configured.
perhaps i ll find the way how to add all that extensions?

cheers,
doc



From perodog at gmx.net  Thu Sep 28 17:33:42 2006
From: perodog at gmx.net (Dragan Noveski)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 02:33:42 +0200
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush> <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net> <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <451C69E6.9000901@gmx.net>

Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
> You can build Snd without fam (use the --without-fam configure argument).
> The warning you are getting should not cause any subsequent trouble -- it's
> just reporting that the file monitor apparently isn't happy.  "fam" refers to
> either libfam (old SGI-style), or libgamin (its replacement) -- it's a way
> to get an event if a file or a directory changes (rather than polling).
>
>
>   
but what is that meaning (from README.snd):

Here at CCRMA, we use this configure invocation:

  ./configure --with-alsa --with-temp-dir=/zap --with-static-xm --with-gl

i dont understand the -temp-dir argument, i am running debian, you 
probably fc, so i dont have the /zap file, so "." will be used.
should i live with this?

another thing is that the record function does not works (and it never 
did on my machine).
when i open record-dialog, the hole program segfaults, or even worse the 
hole machine freezes, only reset and a new boot helps.
can i send you any more information that can help you to debugg?

very much thanks for the help and
cheers,
doc



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Sep 28 18:01:25 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:01:25 -0700
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <451C69E6.9000901@gmx.net>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush> <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net> <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <451C69E6.9000901@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20060929010020.M8240@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> i dont understand the -temp-dir argument, i am running debian, you 
> probably fc, so i dont have the /zap file, so "." will be used. 
> should i live with this? 

The "temp-dir" variable is where temporary files are written.  These are
normally cleaned up by Snd before it exits, but here at ccrma the abnormal
can happen.  So, the "-temp-dir" argument makes sysadmins happy (or less
unhappy?) -- orphaned temp files can be deleted ("zapped") upon logout, and
precious disk space conserved.  In your case, "." is fine, I think -- if Snd
crashes with edits in progress, you may notice a .snd file left behind.

> another thing is that the record function does not works (and it never 
> did on my machine). 
> when i open record-dialog, the hole program segfaults, or even worse the 
> hole machine freezes, only reset and a new boot helps. 
> can i send you any more information that can help you to debugg? 

Yes, please send me whatever (mus-audio-describe) prints out; also
if possible, run Snd under gdb, hit the segfault, and get a stack trace --
that will tell me where to look first.  Thanks!

(If you're using jack, this is a known bug that is on my to-do list).



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Fri Sep 29 03:23:33 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 12:23:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: [ANN] SND-ls V0.9.7.0
In-Reply-To: <451C660D.8010903@gmx.net>
References: <20060927153908.D75E2327D2EF@music.columbia.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609290010440.13247@ttleush> <451C5C24.8020905@gmx.net>
 <20060928234722.M43136@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <451C660D.8010903@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609291219330.7298@ttleush>


On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Dragan Noveski wrote:

> Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
>>  You can build Snd without fam (use the --without-fam configure argument).
>>  The warning you are getting should not cause any subsequent trouble --
>>  it's
>>  just reporting that the file monitor apparently isn't happy.  "fam" refers
>>  to
>>  either libfam (old SGI-style), or libgamin (its replacement) -- it's a way
>>  to get an event if a file or a directory changes (rather than polling).
>> 
>>
>> 
> ok, that works, but the real issue was on kjetils snd-ls package, which is 
> already very nice configured.
> perhaps i ll find the way how to add all that extensions?
>

Adding --without-fam directly to makefile.scm should work fine:

sed -ie s/--with-jack/"--with-jack --without-fam"/ makefile.scm