From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Mon Oct  2 16:17:14 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 01:17:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] [ANN] San Dysth V0.1.0, Snd-ls V0.9.7.1, E-Radium V0.61f
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610030052560.6429@ttleush>


1.
===
San Dysth is a standalone realtime soft-synth written in SND.
It was first developed as final project for the 220c course at CCRMA.
For information about the used synthesizing routine and sound examples,
check out San Dysths homepage at:

http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/


Requirements
------------
Snd-ls >=0.9.7.1
G2Reverb ladspa plugin.



2.
===
Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND.
Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want
to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve
as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up.

Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/snd/

Changes 0.9.7.0 -> 0.9.7.1
---------------------------
-Updated Snd from 8.4/13.9 to 8.4/26.9. Many important fixes.
-Added workaround for menu problem. Bug found by Dragan Noveski.
-Added check that initialization is complete.
-Some realtime fixes.



3.
===

E-radium is Radium and a special version of E-UAE (with support for
realtime scheduling and alsa midi). Radium is a unique type of music
event editor made to be efficient and provide many possibilities.
The user interface is inspired by trackers, but Radium is
more versatile and can be used for all kinds of genres.

http://www.notam02.no/radium/

Changes 0.61e -> 0.61f
----------------------
-Fixed all build errors in 0.61e (0.61e should never have been released.)
-Made sure everyone can run e-radium after installation, not only root and
  the user doing the compilation.




From renueden at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  5 18:36:00 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:36:00 -0700
Subject: [CM] CM Cmucl portmidi loading
Message-ID: <4525B300.2090102@earthlink.net>

I'm having a bit of trouble with realtime cm on ubuntu linux, namely 
with portmidi and rts.

I have installed the latest cvs of the following:
cm
rts
portmidi interface
cffi-062925

I have the following lisp:
cmucl 19c

Cmucl will not load the porttime library and ends with this error:
; loading system definition from
; /home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/portmidi/portmidi.asd into
; #<The ASDF5644 package>
;;; Loading #P"/home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/portmidi/portmidi.asd".
; registering #<SYSTEM :PORTMIDI {5A749F65}> as PORTMIDI
;;; Loading #P"/home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/portmidi/cffi-portmidi.x86f".

Unable to load foreign library: /usr/lib/libporttime.so
   [Condition of type CFFI:LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [RETRY    ] Try loading the foreign library again.
  1: [USE-VALUE] Use another library instead.
  2: [CONTINUE ] Return NIL from load of 
#P"/home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/portm idi/cffi-portmidi.x86f".
  3: [RETRY    ] Retry performing #<ASDF:LOAD-OP NIL {58FDE695}> on
                 #<LIB-DEPENDANT-FILE "cffi-portmidi" {58F6575D}>.
  4: [ACCEPT   ] Continue, treating #<ASDF:LOAD-OP NIL {58FDE695}> on
                 #<LIB-DEPENDANT-FILE "cffi-portmidi" {58F6575D}> as
                 having been successful.
  5:             Return NIL from load of #P"home:.cminit.lisp".
  6:             Retry performing #<FINALIZE-OP NIL {587EE74D}> on
                 #<CM-APPLICATION "cm" {58A387CD}>.
  7:             Continue, treating #<FINALIZE-OP NIL {587EE74D}> on
                 #<CM-APPLICATION "cm" {58A387CD}> as having been 
successful.
  8:             Return NIL from load of 
"/home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/cm/src/ cm.lisp".
  9: [ABORT    ] Return to Top-Level.

Debug  (type H for help)

(CFFI::HANDLE-LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY-ERROR "/usr/lib/libporttime.so"
                                         "Unable to load foreign 
library: ~A"
                                         "/usr/lib/libporttime.so")
Source:
; File: /home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/cffi-060925/src/libraries.lisp
(RESTART-CASE (ERROR 'LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY-ERROR
                     :TEXT (FORMAT NIL "~?" CONTROL ARGUMENTS))
  (RETRY () :REPORT
    "Try loading the foreign library again."
    (LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY ARGUMENT))
  (USE-VALUE (NEW-LIBRARY) :REPORT
    "Use another library instead."
    :INTERACTIVE
    READ-NEW-VALUE
    (LOAD-FOREIGN-LIBRARY NEW-LIBRARY)))
0]

The porttime library is indeed there.
Any help on where to start?

Ken



From renueden at earthlink.net  Thu Oct  5 19:06:15 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:06:15 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
Message-ID: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net>

I'm having additional trouble with portmidi and rts.

I have installed the latest cvs of the following:
cm
rts
portmidi interface
cffi-062925

lisp:
sbcl 0.9.17

Sbcl loads everything fine including cffi, portmidi and rts.
Going through the examples I get the following.
Example 3 of the Portmidi entry:

(define *pm* (portmidi-open :latency 0 :input 3 :output 0))

(define myseq (new <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> seq <file:///home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/cm/doc/dict/seq-fn.html>))

(portmidi-record! myseq)

portmidi-record!: receiver already active.
   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [ABORT-REQUEST] Abort handling SLIME request.
  1: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" {AD40161}>)

Backtrace:
  0: (PORTMIDI-RECORD! #<seq {AF1A211}>)
  1: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (PORTMIDI-RECORD! MYSEQ) #<NULL-LEXENV>)
  2: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(portmidi-record! myseq)
" T)
  3: ((LAMBDA NIL))
  4: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-SYNTAX-HOOKS (T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E94D}>)
  5: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BUFFER-SYNTAX #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E94D}>)
  6: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(portmidi-record! myseq)
") #<NULL-LEXENV>)
  7: ((LAMBDA NIL))
  8: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E26D}>)
  9: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 10: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58372D}>)
 11: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E11D}>)
 12: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58372D}>)
 13: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>)
 14: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 15: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 16: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540C5}>)
 17: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540D5}>)
 18: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540C5}>)
 19: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BINDINGS NIL #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540A5}>)
 20: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 21: ("foreign function: call_into_lisp")
 22: ("foreign function: funcall0")
 23: ("foreign function: new_thread_trampoline")
 24: ("foreign function: #xB7FC8341")

Example #2 of rts:
(define fluff '(60 62 64 67 72 65 69 48 50))

(define (endless-fluff num dur knums)
  (process <cid:part2.00080903.08060003 at earthlink.net> repeat num for i from 0 
	   output
           (new <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> midi <cid:part4.09080208.07000506 at earthlink.net> :time (now <cid:part5.03050708.09080803 at earthlink.net>) 
                :duration (* 2 dur)
                :amplitude .5
                :keynum (pickl <cid:part6.05060106.06040706 at earthlink.net> fluff))
	   wait (pick <cid:part7.01060806.02030707 at earthlink.net> dur (/ dur 2) (/ dur 4))
	   when (= i (1- num))
	   sprout (process <cid:part2.00080903.08060003 at earthlink.net> repeat 4
                           output (new <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> midi <cid:part4.09080208.07000506 at earthlink.net> :time (now <cid:part5.03050708.09080803 at earthlink.net>) 
                                       :duration 5
                                       :amplitude .5 
                                       :keynum (pickl <cid:part6.05060106.06040706 at earthlink.net> knums)))
	   and
	   sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 knums)))

(rts *pm*)

(sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))


invalid number of arguments: 5
   [Condition of type SB-INT:SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [ABORT-REQUEST] Abort handling SLIME request.
  1: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl-thread" {AD43161}>)

Backtrace:
  0: (RTS-ENQUEUE 1 #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6CB425}> 10.493859 10.493859)
  1: (SPROUT #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6CB425}> :TO NIL :AT NIL)
  2: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SPROUT (ENDLESS-FLUFF 20 1 FLUFF)) #<NULL-LEXENV>)
  3: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))
" T)
  4: ((LAMBDA NIL))
  5: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-SYNTAX-HOOKS (T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A696DC5}>)
  6: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BUFFER-SYNTAX #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A696DC5}>)
  7: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))
") #<NULL-LEXENV>)
  8: ((LAMBDA NIL))
  9: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6966E5}>)
 10: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 11: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58A72D}>)
 12: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A696595}>)
 13: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58A72D}>)
 14: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>)
 15: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 16: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 17: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK-DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520C5}>)
 18: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520D5}>)
 19: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520C5}>)
 20: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BINDINGS NIL #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520A5}>)
 21: ((LAMBDA NIL))
 22: ("foreign function: call_into_lisp")
 23: ("foreign function: funcall0")
 24: ("foreign function: new_thread_trampoline")
 25: ("foreign function: #xB7FC8341")


I notice that almost all the rts examples give errors, nor can i get a 
usb midi keyboard to function as an input.
I am able to get portmidi to spit out midi processes, but the timing 
will get screwed up or the notes will not all come out.
I am shooting for realtime midi in and out at some point, so any 
pointers on which direction to pursue are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Ken



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 04:07:52 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 06:07:52 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu>

the receive code for portmidi receiving is not stable. i think i have  
the correct sourcese now, but have not checked them into cvs because  
im waiting for roger dannenberg to make some updates to the portmidi  
lib itself.
i will  check in the fixes nonetheless and hope for the best.

will try the examples later today or tomorrow in sbcl as i find time.


On Oct 5, 2006, at 9:06 PM, Ken wrote:

> I'm having additional trouble with portmidi and rts.
>
> I have installed the latest cvs of the following:
> cm
> rts
> portmidi interface
> cffi-062925
>
> lisp:
> sbcl 0.9.17
>
> Sbcl loads everything fine including cffi, portmidi and rts.
> Going through the examples I get the following.
> Example 3 of the Portmidi entry:
>
> (define *pm* (portmidi-open :latency 0 :input 3 :output 0))
>
> (define myseq (new <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> seq  
> <file:///home/nunativs/sound/cm/system/cm/doc/dict/seq-fn.html>))
>
> (portmidi-record! myseq)
>
> portmidi-record!: receiver already active.
>   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]
>
> Restarts:
>  0: [ABORT-REQUEST] Abort handling SLIME request.
>  1: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl- 
> thread" {AD40161}>)
>
> Backtrace:
>  0: (PORTMIDI-RECORD! #<seq {AF1A211}>)
>  1: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (PORTMIDI-RECORD! MYSEQ) #<NULL- 
> LEXENV>)
>  2: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(portmidi-record! myseq)
> " T)
>  3: ((LAMBDA NIL))
>  4: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-SYNTAX-HOOKS (T))  
> #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL)  
> {B17E94D}>)
>  5: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BUFFER-SYNTAX #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E94D}>)
>  6: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(portmidi- 
> record! myseq)
> ") #<NULL-LEXENV>)
>  7: ((LAMBDA NIL))
>  8: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E26D}>)
>  9: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 10: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58372D}>)
> 11: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {B17E11D}>)
> 12: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>  
> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58372D}>)
> 13: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>)
> 14: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 15: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 16: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540C5}>)
> 17: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540D5}>)
> 18: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDD701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540C5}>)
> 19: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BINDINGS NIL #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD540A5}>)
> 20: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 21: ("foreign function: call_into_lisp")
> 22: ("foreign function: funcall0")
> 23: ("foreign function: new_thread_trampoline")
> 24: ("foreign function: #xB7FC8341")
>
> Example #2 of rts:
> (define fluff '(60 62 64 67 72 65 69 48 50))
>
> (define (endless-fluff num dur knums)
>  (process <cid:part2.00080903.08060003 at earthlink.net> repeat num  
> for i from 0 	   output
>           (new <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> midi  
> <cid:part4.09080208.07000506 at earthlink.net> :time (now  
> <cid:part5.03050708.09080803 at earthlink.net>)                :duration  
> (* 2 dur)
>                :amplitude .5
>                :keynum (pickl  
> <cid:part6.05060106.06040706 at earthlink.net> fluff))
> 	   wait (pick <cid:part7.01060806.02030707 at earthlink.net> dur (/  
> dur 2) (/ dur 4))
> 	   when (= i (1- num))
> 	   sprout (process <cid:part2.00080903.08060003 at earthlink.net>  
> repeat 4
>                           output (new  
> <cid:part1.06020304.00070202 at earthlink.net> midi  
> <cid:part4.09080208.07000506 at earthlink.net> :time (now  
> <cid:part5.03050708.09080803 at earthlink.net>)                           
>              :duration 5
>                                       :amplitude . 
> 5                                       :keynum (pickl  
> <cid:part6.05060106.06040706 at earthlink.net> knums)))
> 	   and
> 	   sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 knums)))
>
> (rts *pm*)
>
> (sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))
>
>
> invalid number of arguments: 5
>   [Condition of type SB-INT:SIMPLE-PROGRAM-ERROR]
>
> Restarts:
>  0: [ABORT-REQUEST] Abort handling SLIME request.
>  1: [TERMINATE-THREAD] Terminate this thread (#<THREAD "repl- 
> thread" {AD43161}>)
>
> Backtrace:
>  0: (RTS-ENQUEUE 1 #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6CB425}> 10.493859  
> 10.493859)
>  1: (SPROUT #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6CB425}> :TO NIL :AT NIL)
>  2: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SPROUT (ENDLESS-FLUFF 20 1  
> FLUFF)) #<NULL-LEXENV>)
>  3: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(sprout (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))
> " T)
>  4: ((LAMBDA NIL))
>  5: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-SYNTAX-HOOKS (T))  
> #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL)  
> {A696DC5}>)
>  6: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BUFFER-SYNTAX #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A696DC5}>)
>  7: (SB-INT:SIMPLE-EVAL-IN-LEXENV (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(sprout  
> (endless-fluff 20 1 fluff))
> ") #<NULL-LEXENV>)
>  8: ((LAMBDA NIL))
>  9: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A6966E5}>)
> 10: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 11: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58A72D}>)
> 12: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {A696595}>)
> 13: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>  
> #<FUNCTION (LAMBDA NIL) {B58A72D}>)
> 14: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>)
> 15: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 16: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 17: ((SB-PCL::FAST-METHOD SWANK-BACKEND:CALL-WITH-DEBUGGER-HOOK (T  
> T)) #<unused argument> #<unused argument> #<FUNCTION SWANK:SWANK- 
> DEBUGGER-HOOK> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520C5}>)
> 18: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520D5}>)
> 19: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-CONNECTION #<SWANK::CONNECTION {ABDF701}>  
> #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520C5}>)
> 20: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-BINDINGS NIL #<CLOSURE (LAMBDA NIL) {AD520A5}>)
> 21: ((LAMBDA NIL))
> 22: ("foreign function: call_into_lisp")
> 23: ("foreign function: funcall0")
> 24: ("foreign function: new_thread_trampoline")
> 25: ("foreign function: #xB7FC8341")
>
>
> I notice that almost all the rts examples give errors, nor can i  
> get a usb midi keyboard to function as an input.
> I am able to get portmidi to spit out midi processes, but the  
> timing will get screwed up or the notes will not all come out.
> I am shooting for realtime midi in and out at some point, so any  
> pointers on which direction to pursue are greatly appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
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From renueden at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  6 09:12:23 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 09:12:23 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net>

Yes, I think that most of the problems and weird behavior seem to be 
related to the portmidi library, also the fact that cmucl will not load 
the porttime lib.
Thanks Rick

Rick Taube wrote:
> the receive code for portmidi receiving is not stable. i think i have 
> the correct sourcese now, but have not checked them into cvs because 
> im waiting for roger dannenberg to make some updates to the portmidi 
> lib itself.
> i will  check in the fixes nonetheless and hope for the best.
>
> will try the examples later today or tomorrow in sbcl as i find time.
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 09:29:25 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:29:25 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu>

cmucl will not work in any event. im trying to test in linux/sbcl  
right now...

On Oct 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, Ken wrote:

> Yes, I think that most of the problems and weird behavior seem to  
> be related to the portmidi library, also the fact that cmucl will  
> not load the porttime lib.
> Thanks Rick
>
> Rick Taube wrote:
>> the receive code for portmidi receiving is not stable. i think i  
>> have the correct sourcese now, but have not checked them into cvs  
>> because im waiting for roger dannenberg to make some updates to  
>> the portmidi lib itself.
>> i will  check in the fixes nonetheless and hope for the best.
>>
>> will try the examples later today or tomorrow in sbcl as i find time.
>>
>
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From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 09:58:43 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 11:58:43 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu>

i just ran some short tests of rts and portmidi on my linux box:
	planet ccrma
	sbcl 0.9.10
	cffi 0.9.1

and portmidi input works and the timing of algos seems very solid.  i  
have checked in CM's portmidi sources  that has setchannelmask  
commented out because its missing in the latest portmidi sources.  
(ill add this back in when roger makes another release of portmdi).  
it will take several hours for the sources to migrate to cvs, look  
for rev. 1.3 of cff-portmidi.lisp (new sources
so i will now try testing in your version of sbcl to see if i can  
duplicate your problems.

this is what i am using to test

;;;------------------------------------------------------
(in-package cm)

(progn (use-system :rts)
        (use-system :portmidi)
        (defun simp (num rhy key wid)
          (process for i below num
                   output (new midi :time (now)
                               :keynum (between key (+ wid key))
                               :amplitude .7)
                   wait rhy))
        )

(pprint (pm:getdeviceinfo))

;; fix port numbers for your setup.
(defparameter pm (portmidi-open :input 0 :output 1))

;;;
;;; output test
;;;

(rts pm)

;; eval this multiple times to test output
(sprout (simp (pick 8 12 16) .1 (between 50 70) 12))

;;;
;;; input -> output test.
;;;

(recv pm)
(recv-set! pm
            (lambda (m)
              (if (note-on-p m)
                  (sprout (simp (pick 8 12 16) .1 (note-on-key m)  
12)))))

;; now play keyboard, each key down triggers new algo

(recv-stop pm)




From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 10:44:42 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:44:42 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <63AF876A-4271-4B1E-88B4-5262D486119C@uiuc.edu>

> I am able to get portmidi to spit out midi processes, but the  
> timing will get screwed up or the notes will not all come out.


i switched over to sbcl 0.9.17 and ran a non-consing simp for 5000  
events at .1 sec rate (thats 8'20" sec o' fun...) and the timing  
sounded rock solid. so im stumped as to why you are getting poor timing.


(defun ncsimp (num rhy key wid)
   (let ((m (new midi :amplitude 80 :duration 90)))
     (process for i below num
                  do (sv m :keynum (rts:between key (+ wid  
key)) :time (now))
                  output  m
                  wait rhy)))

;; nonconsing output test
(rts pm :time-format :msec)
(sprout (ncsimp 5000 100 70 12))



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 10:53:58 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 12:53:58 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <63AF876A-4271-4B1E-88B4-5262D486119C@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <63AF876A-4271-4B1E-88B4-5262D486119C@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <412BF50F-42A6-4CD9-ACC4-172A8D3CDC1F@uiuc.edu>

> (define *pm* (portmidi-open :latency 0 :input 3 :output 0))

you might try using a bit of latency when you open portmidi to see if  
that fixes the uneven timing.

--rick



From renueden at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  6 11:01:32 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:01:32 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <63AF876A-4271-4B1E-88B4-5262D486119C@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <63AF876A-4271-4B1E-88B4-5262D486119C@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <452699FC.4040108@earthlink.net>

Rick Taube wrote:
>> I am able to get portmidi to spit out midi processes, but the timing 
>> will get screwed up or the notes will not all come out.
>
>
> i switched over to sbcl 0.9.17 and ran a non-consing simp for 5000 
> events at .1 sec rate (thats 8'20" sec o' fun...) and the timing 
> sounded rock solid. so im stumped as to why you are getting poor timing.
>
>
> (defun ncsimp (num rhy key wid)
>   (let ((m (new midi :amplitude 80 :duration 90)))
>     (process for i below num
>                  do (sv m :keynum (rts:between key (+ wid key)) :time 
> (now))
>                  output  m
>                  wait rhy)))
>
> ;; nonconsing output test
> (rts pm :time-format :msec)
> (sprout (ncsimp 5000 100 70 12))
>

On this example I get the error message;
invalid number of arguments: 5

weird as its the same error I get on the endless fluff example, where 
the # of arguments is 4?

k



From renueden at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  6 11:06:26 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 11:06:26 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net>

Rick Taube wrote:
> i just ran some short tests of rts and portmidi on my linux box:
>     planet ccrma
>     sbcl 0.9.10
>     cffi 0.9.1
>
> and portmidi input works and the timing of algos seems very solid.  i 
> have checked in CM's portmidi sources  that has setchannelmask 
> commented out because its missing in the latest portmidi sources. (ill 
> add this back in when roger makes another release of portmdi). it will 
> take several hours for the sources to migrate to cvs, look for rev. 
> 1.3 of cff-portmidi.lisp (new sources
> so i will now try testing in your version of sbcl to see if i can 
> duplicate your problems.
>
> this is what i am using to test
>
> ;;;------------------------------------------------------
> (in-package cm)
>
> (progn (use-system :rts)
>        (use-system :portmidi)
>        (defun simp (num rhy key wid)
>          (process for i below num
>                   output (new midi :time (now)
>                               :keynum (between key (+ wid key))
>                               :amplitude .7)
>                   wait rhy))
>        )
>
> (pprint (pm:getdeviceinfo))
>
> ;; fix port numbers for your setup.
> (defparameter pm (portmidi-open :input 0 :output 1))
>
> ;;;
> ;;; output test
> ;;;
>
> (rts pm)
>
> ;; eval this multiple times to test output
> (sprout (simp (pick 8 12 16) .1 (between 50 70) 12))
>
> ;;;
> ;;; input -> output test.
> ;;;
>
> (recv pm)
> (recv-set! pm
>            (lambda (m)
>              (if (note-on-p m)
>                  (sprout (simp (pick 8 12 16) .1 (note-on-key m) 12)))))
>
> ;; now play keyboard, each key down triggers new algo
>
> (recv-stop pm)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>
On this example, I get the same error invalid number of arguments: 5.

With the recieve example, lisp crashes when I play the midi keyboard.

How can I trace this?

It must be the portmidi library I have.  Its the default Ubuntu supplied 
lib.  I tried building the latest sources, but sbcl wouldn't load the 
porttime lib that I built, so I went back to the Ubuntu lib.

k



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 11:24:38 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 13:24:38 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu>

> On this example, I get the same error invalid number of arguments: 5.

i wonder if you might have stale .fasls in one or all of your cm/rts/ 
portmidi directorues
i would throw out all these directories then cvs from scratch and  
rebuild, ie:

rm -r cm portmidi rts

cvs checkout cm
cvs checkout rts
cvs checkout portmidi

cd rts
./configure
make

cd ../portmidi
./configure
make

cd ../cm
bin/cm.sh -l sbcl


> On this example, I get the same error invalid number of arguments: 5.
>
> With the recieve example, lisp crashes when I play the midi keyboard.
>
> How can I trace this?
>
> It must be the portmidi library I have.  Its the default Ubuntu  
> supplied lib.  I tried building the latest sources, but sbcl  
> wouldn't load the porttime lib that I built, so I went back to the  
> Ubuntu lib.
>
> k



From renueden at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  6 12:08:14 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2006 12:08:14 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net> <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <4526A99E.5080600@earthlink.net>

Rick Taube wrote:
>> On this example, I get the same error invalid number of arguments: 5.
>
> i wonder if you might have stale .fasls in one or all of your 
> cm/rts/portmidi directorues
> i would throw out all these directories then cvs from scratch and 
> rebuild, ie:
>
> rm -r cm portmidi rts
>
> cvs checkout cm
> cvs checkout rts
> cvs checkout portmidi
>
> cd rts
> ./configure
> make
>
> cd ../portmidi
> ./configure
> make
>
> cd ../cm
> bin/cm.sh -l sbcl
>
Ok, that did the trick.  The 5000 note flurry came out without a 
hiccup.  Recieve still crashes sbcl on my box though, but I think you 
said it would be broken, yes?
k



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  6 13:33:34 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2006 15:33:34 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <4526A99E.5080600@earthlink.net>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net> <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu> <4526A99E.5080600@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BEF38EB9-170A-4DA2-8B88-A8DDE5AF750C@uiuc.edu>

> Ok, that did the trick.  The 5000 note flurry came out without a  
> hiccup.  Recieve still crashes sbcl on my box though, but I think  
> you said it would be broken, yes?

depends. it should be working if you have the file revisions listed  
below. you can see what revisions you have by looking at the cvs tag  
near the top of each file, for example

$ more cffi-portmidi.lisp
	[...]
	;;; $Revision: 1.2 $
	;;; $Date: 2006/10/06 11:33:23 $



cffi-portmidi.lisp rev 1.2
cffi-recv.lisp     rev 1.1
cm-recv.lisp       rev 1.2



From Tom.Lopez at oberlin.edu  Mon Oct  9 19:01:30 2006
From: Tom.Lopez at oberlin.edu (Tom Lopez)
Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2006 22:01:30 -0400
Subject: [CM] [deadline this week] = SEAMUS/ASCAP student commission
Message-ID: <08CCC770-4B8B-4A03-A4E8-79DAD1693430@oberlin.edu>

Apologies for cross-postings.

Please forward as appropriate.


The postmark deadline is this week!


SEAMUS is pleased to announce the 2007 ASCAP/SEAMUS Student Composer  
Commissioning Program, with the help of Frances Richard and the  
American Society for Composers, Authors and Publishers (ASCAP)  
<http://www.ascap.com>. The commission includes an honorarium for a  
new electro-acoustic composition, a stipend for copying and material  
costs, a plaque, a recording on the annual conference CD, and a  
performance at the SEAMUS 2008 National Conference.

You must be a student currently enrolled in an academic course of  
study that leads to a high school diploma, or baccalaureate, masters,  
or doctoral degree in music or electro-acoustic music, or a program  
that includes electro-acoustic music and related fields. This  
competition is open to student members of SEAMUS, US citizens, or  
legal residents of the United States.

The postmark deadline is October 15, 2006.

For more information, including the application form:

http://seamusonline.org/ascap.html


IMPORTANT:  applying for the SEAMUS/ASCAP Student Commission is  
entirely different from submitting work for performance at the SEAMUS  
National Conference, which requires a separate application.


Sincerely,

Tom Lopez
SEAMUS/ASCAP Commissioning Program Coordinator
77 W. College St.
Oberlin Conservatory of Music
Oberlin, Ohio 44074 USA
(440) 775-8748


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From renueden at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 10 06:34:55 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:34:55 -0700
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
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References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net> <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu> <4526A99E.5080600@earthlink.net> <BEF38EB9-170A-4DA2-8B88-A8DDE5AF750C@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <452BA17F.40407@earthlink.net>

Rick,
Just wanted to say that I traced my troubles to slime.  I ran the 
examples in a regular terminal after deleting all old fasl files and 
updating from cvs,  and everything worked fine including receive.

Are there some issues you know of with emacs/slime that I should be 
aware of, as I really like using that environment?  Right now, any rts 
or portmidi examples crash sbcl when I try to run them from slime.
Thanks again,
Ken

Rick Taube wrote:
>> Ok, that did the trick.  The 5000 note flurry came out without a 
>> hiccup.  Recieve still crashes sbcl on my box though, but I think you 
>> said it would be broken, yes? ck,

>
> depends. it should be working if you have the file revisions listed 
> below. you can see what revisions you have by looking at the cvs tag 
> near the top of each file, for example
>
> $ more cffi-portmidi.lisp
>     [...]
>     ;;; $Revision: 1.2 $
>     ;;; $Date: 2006/10/06 11:33:23 $
>
>
>
> cffi-portmidi.lisp rev 1.2
> cffi-recv.lisp     rev 1.1
> cm-recv.lisp       rev 1.2
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 10 07:59:10 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:59:10 -0500
Subject: [CM] Sbcl and realtime cm
In-Reply-To: <452BA17F.40407@earthlink.net>
References: <4525BA17.7070200@earthlink.net> <F2C5DC5A-8A9F-459F-B0AD-55B7721B22B9@uiuc.edu> <45268067.1030705@earthlink.net> <10C0A9A6-1690-4B9F-B845-F9A0A63CD8E1@uiuc.edu> <2244DE36-5869-4458-8CED-129E57312EBC@uiuc.edu> <45269B22.8040301@earthlink.net> <3D25B185-8E67-4DE5-BDF2-F5E4E6128EA6@uiuc.edu> <4526A99E.5080600@earthlink.net> <BEF38EB9-170A-4DA2-8B88-A8DDE5AF750C@uiuc.edu> <452BA17F.40407@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3F1869EA-FCF0-4C17-A8B7-D5E3C707F17A@uiuc.edu>

> Are there some issues you know of with emacs/slime that I should be  
> aware of, as I really like using that environment?  Right now, any  
> rts or portmidi examples crash sbcl when I try to run them from slime.

yes, lots of weird stuff can happen when you use slime.
one thing to try is configure slime to use some  communication style  
other than multiprocessesing. depending on your lisp/os thats its  
defaul choice and it seems to screw things up sometime when user code  
is also doing multiprocessing, as is certainly the case with rts and  
receive

see

http://common-lisp.net/project/slime/doc/html/Communication- 
style.html#Communication-style



On Oct 10, 2006, at 8:34 AM, Ken wrote:

> Rick,
> Just wanted to say that I traced my troubles to slime.  I ran the  
> examples in a regular terminal after deleting all old fasl files  
> and updating from cvs,  and everything worked fine including receive.
>
> Are there some issues you know of with emacs/slime that I should be  
> aware of, as I really like using that environment?  Right now, any  
> rts or portmidi examples crash sbcl when I try to run them from slime.
> Thanks again,
> Ken
>
> Rick Taube wrote:
>>> Ok, that did the trick.  The 5000 note flurry came out without a  
>>> hiccup.  Recieve still crashes sbcl on my box though, but I think  
>>> you said it would be broken, yes? ck,
>
>>
>> depends. it should be working if you have the file revisions  
>> listed below. you can see what revisions you have by looking at  
>> the cvs tag near the top of each file, for example
>>
>> $ more cffi-portmidi.lisp
>>     [...]
>>     ;;; $Revision: 1.2 $
>>     ;;; $Date: 2006/10/06 11:33:23 $
>>
>>
>>
>> cffi-portmidi.lisp rev 1.2
>> cffi-recv.lisp     rev 1.1
>> cm-recv.lisp       rev 1.2
>>
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 10 10:04:41 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:04:41 -0500
Subject: [CM] embeddable cm
Message-ID: <DE782D11-2711-42C2-9D79-8C003EFAB57B@uiuc.edu>

ive ported CM to Embeddable Common Lisp (ECL). you need to build ECL  
from its latest CVS sources for this to work:

	http://ecls.sf.net

You can use ECL just like any other lisp, ie to build/run CM in ECL  
just do:

	bin/cm.sh -l ecl

But the really interesting thing about ECL is that you can link it to  
C/C++ programs. This should make it possible now to embed CM into C/C+ 
+ programs, or to make a CM+JUCE app, or create external objects in  
Max or Pd that use CM.

i just checked in the ecl changes so it may take a few hours to  
migrate to the anonymous cvs server...

only CM's main source tree has been ported but since CFFI seems to  
support ECL im hopeful that most other systems like rts and portmidi  
can be ported as welln.

it seems that ECL developers are quite serious about windows, i would  
be grateful if some xp user out there is brave enough to try to build  
ecl and then cm in it on xp....



From testcase at asu.edu  Tue Oct 10 11:31:48 2006
From: testcase at asu.edu (todd ingalls)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:31:48 -0700
Subject: [CM] embeddable cm
In-Reply-To: <DE782D11-2711-42C2-9D79-8C003EFAB57B@uiuc.edu>
References: <DE782D11-2711-42C2-9D79-8C003EFAB57B@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <33FFA7E6-74F2-4069-BFF2-06DDC39BFC07@asu.edu>

Hi just to follow up and this, I have a max object built which has  
ecl embedded into it that starts up ecl in a separate thread,  loads  
up and starts a swank connection. One can then connect to it via  
slime. It doesn't do anything interesting in max yet. Would anyone be  
interested in working with me on this?






On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Rick Taube wrote:

> ive ported CM to Embeddable Common Lisp (ECL). you need to build  
> ECL from its latest CVS sources for this to work:
>
> 	http://ecls.sf.net
>
> You can use ECL just like any other lisp, ie to build/run CM in ECL  
> just do:
>
> 	bin/cm.sh -l ecl
>
> But the really interesting thing about ECL is that you can link it  
> to C/C++ programs. This should make it possible now to embed CM  
> into C/C++ programs, or to make a CM+JUCE app, or create external  
> objects in Max or Pd that use CM.
>
> i just checked in the ecl changes so it may take a few hours to  
> migrate to the anonymous cvs server...
>
> only CM's main source tree has been ported but since CFFI seems to  
> support ECL im hopeful that most other systems like rts and  
> portmidi can be ported as welln.
>
> it seems that ECL developers are quite serious about windows, i  
> would be grateful if some xp user out there is brave enough to try  
> to build ecl and then cm in it on xp....
>
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From lievenmoors at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 13 08:21:19 2006
From: lievenmoors at hotmail.com (Lieven Moors)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 17:21:19 +0200
Subject: [CM] compile-problem:clm-3
Message-ID: <BAY108-F2146CD1ABD07D4F85AF902BE0A0@phx.gbl>

hi everyone,

i'm trying to compile clm-3, but i ran into the following error:
(clm-bin-directory is set to "/opt/clm-3/bin")

after (load "all.lisp"):

; Loading #P"/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp".
;   running cd  && ./configure --quiet --with-doubles --with-float-samples 
--with-jack
; Compiling "io.c"
; Compiling "headers.c"
; Compiling "audio.c"
; Compiling "sound.c"
; Compiling "clm.c"
; Compiling "cmus.c"
; Creating "/opt/clm-3/bin/libclm.so"
;;ld  -shared -fPIC -o /opt/clm-3/bin/libclm.so /opt/clm-3/bin/headers.o 
/opt/clm-3/bin/audio.o /opt/clm-3/bin/io.o /opt/clm-3/bin/sound.o 
/opt/clm-3/bin/clm.o /opt/clm-3/bin/cmus.o /opt/clm-3/bin/sc.o -ljack 
-lsamplerate  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11
;; Loading #P"/opt/clm-3/bin/clm-package.x86f".
;; Loading #P"/opt/clm-3/bin/initmus.x86f".
;;; Running /usr/bin/ld...


here is the error in slime:


File-error in function LOAD-FOREIGN:
   File does not exist: /opt/clm-3/bin/libclm.so.
   [Condition of type KERNEL:SIMPLE-FILE-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [CONTINUE] Return NIL from load of "all.lisp".
  1: [ABORT-REQUEST] Abort handling SLIME request.
  2: [ABORT] Return to Top-Level.

Backtrace:
  0: (LOAD-FOREIGN "/opt/clm-3/bin/libclm.so" :LIBRARIES ("-lc") :BASE-FILE 
...)
  1: (LISP::SLOLOAD #<Stream for file "/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp">)
  2: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #P"/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp" 
#P"/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR :SOURCE)
  3: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #P"/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp" 
#P"/usr/src/clm/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR NIL)
  4: (LOAD "all.lisp" :VERBOSE NIL :PRINT ...)
  5: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(load \"all.lisp\")
" T)

thanks for your help, i'm very curious about CLM...

lieven




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Oct 13 11:22:26 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:22:26 -0700
Subject: [CM] compile-problem:clm-3
In-Reply-To: <BAY108-F2146CD1ABD07D4F85AF902BE0A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY108-F2146CD1ABD07D4F85AF902BE0A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20061013182152.M46681@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> /opt/clm-3/bin/clm.o /opt/clm-3/bin/cmus.o /opt/clm-3/bin/sc.o -ljack 
> -lsamplerate  -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 
> ;; Loading #P"/opt/clm-3/bin/clm-package.x86f". 
> ;; Loading #P"/opt/clm-3/bin/initmus.x86f". 
> ;;; Running /usr/bin/ld... 

I take it you pushed :jack on *features* first?  And this is cmucl?  In that case,
the message "Running..." means something went wrong earlier with the load --
I'm surprised there's not some sort of error like "can't find libjack" -- perhaps
it was eaten by slime?  I'd try again, but in a terminal, i.e. run cmucl in a shell,
then (pushnew :jack *features*), then (load "all.lisp") and see if you get a real
error message.  In cases like this I always use strace to see where the loader is
actually looking.  If no luck there, remove all the generated files  and sndlib.h
and mus-config.h, don't push :jack, and try load "all.lisp" again.



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 03:21:27 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:21:27 -0400
Subject: [CM] Compiling CLM instruments on FC5/ccrma
Message-ID: <m38xjh98wo.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello. I've recently upgraded my audio recording rig to Fedora Core 5,
and successfully installed PlanetCCRMA-core and the Common Music
environment. 

The instruments in /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm have not been
compiled. Should I write a program to do this myself (not terribly
difficult) or is there a "correct" way to make this happen?

Also, I have to specify the full path to
/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm when loading an instrument that has
been compiled. Is there any way to get it to try loading from there
automatically, something analogous to emacs' "load-path"? 

I get the sense I'm missing a step here---I'm new to Common Music and
Common Lisp in general, so it's entirely possible. Perhaps you can
help me out? 

Thanks in advance...

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 03:38:19 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:38:19 -0400
Subject: [CM] Problem compiling CLM instruments
Message-ID: <m33b9p984k.fsf@gnu.org>

Hi, as a follow-up to my last message, I decided to write a function
to compile all the instruments in /usr/share/common-lisp/clm

Here is the short little function:

------------------------------------------
(defun dto-compile-instrument-directory (&key
					 (path "/usr/share/common-lisp/clm/"))
  (let ((dir (directory path)))
    (loop for file in dir do
      (if (string= "ins" (pathname-type file))
	  (load file)))))
------------------------------------------

It seems to work and runs for awhile, compiling a bunch of
instruments, but seems to run into a problem with moog.lisp:

--------------------------------------------
debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #<THREAD "initial thread" {A62B4A9}>:
  setf: unknown accessor: MOOG-Q in (MOOG-Q F)

Type HELP for debugger help, or (SB-EXT:QUIT) to exit from SBCL.

restarts (invokable by number or by possibly-abbreviated name):
  0: [ABORT] Exit debugger, returning to top level.

(CLM::SETF-BRANCH #<unused argument> #<unavailable argument> 0)
---------------------------------------------

This is with the version of CLM installed with CCRMA/FC5.

What am I doing wrong? 

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 03:46:20 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:46:20 -0400
Subject: [CM] C compiler error when compiling CLM instruments
Message-ID: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, 

sorry to bug you again.

I solved my last problem by compiling moog.lisp before building the
instruments. However, I've run into another, and I doubt I'll be able
to fix this one so simply: 

-------------------
; Writing "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c"
STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD
STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD COMPILE
; Compiling "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c"
/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c: In function ?clm_grapheq406?:
/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c:161: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
; Creating shared object file "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.so"
ld: /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.o: No such file: No such file or directory

debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #<THREAD "initial thread" {A62B4A9}>:
  Error opening shared object "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.so":
  /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory.

Type HELP for debugger help, or (SB-EXT:QUIT) to exit from SBCL.

restarts (invokable by number or by possibly-abbreviated name):
  0: [ABORT] Exit debugger, returning to top level.

(SB-SYS:DLOPEN-OR-LOSE
 #S(SB-ALIEN::SHARED-OBJECT
    :FILE "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.so"
    :SAP NIL))
0] 0
-----------------------

Can anyone help? 

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Oct 15 04:18:37 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 04:18:37 -0700
Subject: [CM] C compiler error when compiling CLM instruments
In-Reply-To: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> The instruments in /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm have not been 
> compiled. Should I write a program to do this myself (not terribly 
> difficult) or is there a "correct" way to make this happen? 

Normally, I think, people only compile the instruments that interest
them.  clm-test.lisp compiles and runs all of them.


> Also, I have to specify the full path to 
> /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm when loading an instrument that has 
> been compiled. Is there any way to get it to try loading from there 
> automatically, something analogous to emacs' "load-path"? 

perhaps *default-pathname-defaults*.


>     (if (string= "ins" (pathname-type file)) 
>      (load file))))) 

this may work sometimes in sbcl, but it's much safer to compile the instrument
file first (use compile-file as in compile-and-load in all.lisp) -- see below.


>  setf: unknown accessor: MOOG-Q in (MOOG-Q F) 

I think this is happening in filter-noise.ins which expects moog.lisp
to be already compiled and loaded.  Ideally it would handle that requirement
in some debonair manner.


> /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c:161: error: invalid lvalue in 
assignment 

This is a case where you have to compile the instrument file first --
just (load "grapheq.ins") doesn't work.




From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 05:55:40 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:55:40 -0400
Subject: [CM] C compiler error when compiling CLM instruments
In-Reply-To: <20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's
	message of "Sun\, 15 Oct 2006 04\:18\:37 -0700")
References: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <m3y7rh68mr.fsf@gnu.org>

Thanks so much for your help. I got them all compiled successfully.

"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

> <big snip>

>> /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c:161: error: invalid lvalue in 
> assignment 
>
> This is a case where you have to compile the instrument file first --
> just (load "grapheq.ins") doesn't work.



-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 07:14:20 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:14:20 -0400
Subject: [CM] C compiler error when compiling CLM instruments
In-Reply-To: <20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's
	message of "Sun\, 15 Oct 2006 04\:18\:37 -0700")
References: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <m3k6314qf7.fsf@gnu.org>

I was wrong---compiling first fails, just on grapheq.ins. The error
message is below. 

I can always just leave out this instrument, but I would like to make
sure they all work. 

---------------------------------------------------------------
* (compile-file "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/grapheq.ins")
; Writing "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c"
; Compiling "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c"
/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c: In function ?clm_grapheq1129?:
/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c:161: error: invalid lvalue in assignment
; Creating shared object file "/usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.so"
ld: /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.o: No such file: No such file or directory
---------------------------------------------------------------

"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

>> The instruments in /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm have not been 
>> compiled. Should I write a program to do this myself (not terribly 
>> difficult) or is there a "correct" way to make this happen? 
>
> Normally, I think, people only compile the instruments that interest
> them.  clm-test.lisp compiles and runs all of them.
>
>
>> Also, I have to specify the full path to 
>> /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm when loading an instrument that has 
>> been compiled. Is there any way to get it to try loading from there 
>> automatically, something analogous to emacs' "load-path"? 
>
> perhaps *default-pathname-defaults*.
>
>
>>     (if (string= "ins" (pathname-type file)) 
>>      (load file))))) 
>
> this may work sometimes in sbcl, but it's much safer to compile the instrument
> file first (use compile-file as in compile-and-load in all.lisp) -- see below.
>
>
>>  setf: unknown accessor: MOOG-Q in (MOOG-Q F) 
>
> I think this is happening in filter-noise.ins which expects moog.lisp
> to be already compiled and loaded.  Ideally it would handle that requirement
> in some debonair manner.
>
>
>> /usr/share/common-lisp/source/clm/clm_GRAPHEQ.c:161: error: invalid lvalue in 
> assignment 
>
> This is a case where you have to compile the instrument file first --
> just (load "grapheq.ins") doesn't work.
>
>
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Oct 15 08:58:17 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:58:17 -0700
Subject: [CM] C compiler error when compiling CLM instruments
In-Reply-To: <m3k6314qf7.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <m3y7rh7t6r.fsf@gnu.org> <20061015111738.M92893@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <m3k6314qf7.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20061015155725.M49392@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> I was wrong---compiling first fails, just on grapheq.ins. The error 
> message is below. 

I didn't see the error message because it was buried in
all of sbcl's pointless blathering!  Great.  I think this change
fixes the problem:

    (run
      (loop for i from st to nd do
        (declare (type :mus-any* frm-size))
        (when  (and stats (= 44100 (mod i 44200)))

(that is, in this case we need to declare the array's type).



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 08:52:51 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:52:51 -0400
Subject: [CM] Real-time CLM
Message-ID: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org>

I am thinking about implementing a graphical front-end for Common Lisp
Music for real-time sound processing and generation.

I have heard that CLM has such realtime capability with
"defpinstrument" and so on. So, I figured I could transform the user's
requests into code for CLM.

However, it seems the realtime functionality has been removed in
CLM-3.

How do I write a synthesis program that talks to CLM in realtime? 

Should I just use CLM-2? 

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sun Oct 15 10:12:00 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 10:12:00 -0700
Subject: [CM] Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> How do I write a synthesis program that talks to CLM in realtime? 

Check out Snd.  Perhaps you could build on the work Kjetil has
done (http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/ etc)?

As far as I know, defpinstrument was never actually used for real-time
work; CL is (or was) problematic in that regard.  I think there has been
recent progress on that front -- perhaps Rick and
friends have overcome all the problems.  

Perry Cook and Gary Scavone's Stk is aimed at real-time synthesis --
you might check it out -- are you married to lisp?



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 11:16:36 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:16:36 -0400
Subject: [CM] Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's
	message of "Sun\, 15 Oct 2006 10\:12\:00 -0700")
References: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <m31wp9zbp7.fsf@gnu.org>

I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
language :-). 

I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.

I will keep you posted on what I come up with. 

"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

>> How do I write a synthesis program that talks to CLM in realtime? 
>
> Check out Snd.  Perhaps you could build on the work Kjetil has
> done (http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/ etc)?
>
> As far as I know, defpinstrument was never actually used for real-time
> work; CL is (or was) problematic in that regard.  I think there has been
> recent progress on that front -- perhaps Rick and
> friends have overcome all the problems.  
>
> Perry Cook and Gary Scavone's Stk is aimed at real-time synthesis --
> you might check it out -- are you married to lisp?
>
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From renueden at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 15 11:32:49 2006
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 11:32:49 -0700
Subject: [CM] Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <m31wp9zbp7.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org>	<20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> <m31wp9zbp7.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <45327ED1.6050203@earthlink.net>

Also look into Csound5.  Someone has been working on a CFFI backend to 
the API.  If you have good lisp skills, it would be great if you could 
get that going, as the Csound package has a ton of great features, and 
you'd still be in lisp.
Ken

David O'Toole wrote:
> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
> language :-). 
>
> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>
> I will keep you posted on what I come up with. 
>
> "Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:
>
>   
>>> How do I write a synthesis program that talks to CLM in realtime? 
>>>       
>> Check out Snd.  Perhaps you could build on the work Kjetil has
>> done (http://www.notam02.no/~kjetism/sandysth/ etc)?
>>
>> As far as I know, defpinstrument was never actually used for real-time
>> work; CL is (or was) problematic in that regard.  I think there has been
>> recent progress on that front -- perhaps Rick and
>> friends have overcome all the problems.  
>>
>> Perry Cook and Gary Scavone's Stk is aimed at real-time synthesis --
>> you might check it out -- are you married to lisp?
>>
>>
>>     
>
>   



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sun Oct 15 11:36:05 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 13:36:05 -0500
Subject: [CM] Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <m3hcy5zics.fsf@gnu.org> <20061015170408.M16757@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <7272AB40-16A0-4E75-BDA6-3AFB60F26C61@uiuc.edu>

>
> Perry Cook and Gary Scavone's Stk is aimed at real-time synthesis --
> you might check it out -- are you married to lisp?

todd ingalls has been threatening to release his cffi wrapper to  
SndObj for doing real time synthesis in lisp.
home:
	http://music.nuim.ie/musictec/SndObj/main.html
doc (pdf):
	http://music.nuim.ie/musictec/SndObj/SndObj_Manual-2.6.1.pdf



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 15 12:15:56 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:15:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush>

"David O'Toole":
>
>
> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
> language :-).
>

If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
if (read: when) you find bugs.


> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>

You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
Used to, at least.



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 15 17:21:29 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2006 20:21:29 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Sun\, 15 Oct 2006 21\:15\:56 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush>
Message-ID: <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>

I'm using the Snd that comes with planetccrma-fc5. Should I be using
some special CVS version?

"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:

> "David O'Toole":
>>
>>
>> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
>> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
>> language :-).
>>
>
> If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
> if (read: when) you find bugs.
>
>
>> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
>> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
>> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>>
>
> You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
> Used to, at least.
>
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-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 15 17:54:28 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 02:54:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush>

I don't know which version is in planetccrma-fc5, but
I guess you can use it. There are some important bugs 
fixed only a few weeks ago though, so you are probably best off with the 
latest version instead. And the latest version of snd-ls should always be 
fine too.

Another thing is that for the rt examples that use graphics, you need 
snd compiled with gtk, and I think planet-ccrma only supplies snd
compiled with motif...


On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:

>
> I'm using the Snd that comes with planetccrma-fc5. Should I be using
> some special CVS version?
>
> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>
>> "David O'Toole":
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
>>> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
>>> language :-).
>>>
>>
>> If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
>> if (read: when) you find bugs.
>>
>>
>>> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
>>> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
>>> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>>>
>>
>> You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
>> Used to, at least.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>
> -- 
> David O'Toole
> dto at gnu.org
> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>



From holeczek at us.edu.pl  Mon Oct 16 05:21:35 2006
From: holeczek at us.edu.pl (Jacek M. Holeczek)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 14:21:35 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: [CM] Snd-8(.5) questions (newbie)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610161321060.29228@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>

Hi,
first, let me say that I'm a complete newbie, what concerns sound editing.

I've just installed (from cvs) the current Snd (with Guile-1.6.4).

Here come my "newbie" questions. Sorry about these questions, but after
reading the manual, I still don't know the answers.

Assume I open a "wav" file ...

1a. How can I get the "mean/average" value of all samples?
1b. How can I get the "mean/average" value of "selected" samples?

2a. How can I get the "mean/average" value of the "amplitude" for all
    samples?
2.b How can I get the "mean/average" value of the "amplitude" for
    "selected" samples?

3a. How can I get the "RMS" value for all samples?
3b. How can I get the "RMS" value for "selected" samples?

4a. How can I get the "standard deviation" value for all samples?
4b. How can I get the "standard deviation" value for "selected" samples?

5a. How can I get the "min" and "max" values of all samples?
5b. How can I get the "min" and "max" values of "selected" samples?

(In case of 5.a and 5.b also getting the "sample number" would be nice, or
maybe one could afterwards "search" for samples of a given "value" using
the "find-channel" function, for example?)

6.a How can I "add/subtract" a value to/from all samples?
    (I believe I have found the answer to 6.a ... "offset-channel".)
6.b How can I "add/subtract" a value to/from "selected" samples?

Saying "selected samples" above, I mean a "Selection" and/or a "Region".

Finally, I need your advice in the following matter.
This is, in principle, what I am really interested in and why I need to
"edit" my sounds.

In principle, using a Linux machine with a simple soundcard, I would like
to record four independent tracks (Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass). Each of
them would be "mono" (1 channel), in separate "wav" files.
Assume now that I synchronized these files adding appropriate "silence" in
the beginning of all of them (different amount for different tracks).

From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 16 12:54:25 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:54:25 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd-8(.5) questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610161321060.29228@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610161321060.29228@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <20061016195341.M44028@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> 1a. How can I get the "mean/average" value of all samples? 

(let ((sum 0.0)) 
  (scan-channel (lambda (y) (set! sum (+ sum y)) #f)) 
  (/ sum (frames)))


> 1b. How can I get the "mean/average" value of "selected" samples? 

(let ((sum 0.0)) 
  (scan-channel (lambda (y) (set! sum (+ sum y)) #f) 
                (selection-position) (selection-frames)) 
  (/ sum (selection-frames)))


> 2a. How can I get the "mean/average" value of the "amplitude" for all 
>   samples? 

There's no distinction between a sample and its amplitude.


> 3a. How can I get the "RMS" value for all samples? 
> 3b. How can I get the "RMS" value for "selected" samples? 

similar to above but return RMS.


> 4a. How can I get the "standard deviation" value for all samples? 
> 4b. How can I get the "standard deviation" value for "selected" samples? 

similar to above, but return standard deviation.


> 5a. How can I get the "min" and "max" values of all samples? 
> 5b. How can I get the "min" and "max" values of "selected" samples? 

maxamp and selection-maxamp


> (In case of 5.a and 5.b also getting the "sample number" would be nice, or 
> maybe one could afterwards "search" for samples of a given "value" using 
> the "find-channel" function, for example?) 

maxamp-position and selection-maxamp-position


> 6.a How can I "add/subtract" a value to/from all samples? 
>    (I believe I have found the answer to 6.a ... "offset-channel".) 
> 6.b How can I "add/subtract" a value to/from "selected" samples? 

(map-channel (lambda (y) (- y .1))) ; or whatever you want to subtract


> From these four "independent" mono tracks, I would like to produce a 
> "stereo" file (2 channels). 

see mono->stereo in extensions.scm


> In "professional live" recordings, you can 
> actually "hear" that one guy is staying left to you, another one right to 
> you, and so on ... and this is exactly what I would like to achieve, too. 
> I would like to "hear" the Soprano most left, Alto left-middle, Tenor 
> right-middle, Bass most right ... 

perhaps place-sound is what you want.



From rm at seid-online.de  Mon Oct 16 14:34:39 2006
From: rm at seid-online.de (Ralf Mattes)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:34:39 +0200
Subject: [CM] Snd-8(.5) questions (newbie)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610161321060.29228@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610161321060.29228@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>
Message-ID: <1161034479.8862.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 14:21 +0200, Jacek M. Holeczek wrote:
> Hi,
> first, let me say that I'm a complete newbie, what concerns sound editing.
> 
> I've just installed (from cvs) the current Snd (with Guile-1.6.4).
> 
> Here come my "newbie" questions. Sorry about these questions, but after
> reading the manual, I still don't know the answers.
> 

[Snip ... snip .. snip]
> 
> Finally, I need your advice in the following matter.
> This is, in principle, what I am really interested in and why I need to
> "edit" my sounds.
> 
> In principle, using a Linux machine with a simple soundcard, I would like
> to record four independent tracks (Soprano, Alto, Tenor, Bass). Each of
> them would be "mono" (1 channel), in separate "wav" files.
> Assume now that I synchronized these files adding appropriate "silence" in
> the beginning of all of them (different amount for different tracks).
> >From these four "independent" mono tracks, I would like to produce a
> "stereo" file (2 channels). In "professional live" recordings, you can
> actually "hear" that one guy is staying left to you, another one right to
> you, and so on ... and this is exactly what I would like to achieve, too.
> I would like to "hear" the Soprano most left, Alto left-middle, Tenor
> right-middle, Bass most right ...
> Being completely new to this business, i have no idea how to achieve it.
> 

Hmm, i wounder whether it might be easier to use a sound recording tool
for this task: have you had a look at ardour? 
With ardour you could do exactly the kind of editing you describe -
import WAV data, slice 'n dice and move around and position the channels
with a nice graphical GUI.

 HTH Ralf Mattes

P.S: This is not to say that snd can't handle that job, i just feel that
ardour would be the more natural choice for this task ...

> Could you, please help me,
> Thanks in advance,
> Best regards,
> Jacek.
> 
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From J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk  Tue Oct 17 04:43:25 2006
From: J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk (Joseph Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:43:25 +0100
Subject: [CM] clm on os x
Message-ID: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>

Hi All, 

Just looking for a little orientation for a clm newbie in getting things running happy on os x.

I've downloaded CM.app 2.8 from http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/commonmusic.

For emacs am using Aquamacs 0.9.8.


Things run fine, but I'm having a bit of trouble with working out how to use emacs as a file editor with all the benefits of indentation and completion.

I've been looking at the intro tutorial put together by Matt Wright & Fernando Lopez-Lezcano at 
http://ccrma.stanford.edu/courses/220b/intro/220b-environment-tutorial.html. (See excerpt below.)

The trouble I'm having, is replicating the behaviour described in step 6 of their tutorial. For me, C-X C-F doesn't exactly do what I'm expecting. It does open up a NEW window (not using the split window) with "Emacs - *Minibuf-1*" at the top and "Find file:/" at the bottom. Typing a file name "mysound.lisp", in the new window, the (Lisp Slime) mode is listed at the bottom of the window.

However, in this new window, I'm not getting the "nice features of SLIME, including paren blinking, automatic indentation, automatic documentation retrieval, and tab completion". So, what am I doing wrong here? I do get all the "nice features" if I stay in my original *slime-repl openmcl* window. All these nice features do seem to be the point of working in emacs to begin with.


Thanks for the help.

J Anderson




Number 6 from Matt Wright & Fernando Lopez-Lezcano tutorial:

6) Writing Programs in Emacs

Split Emacs into two vertical windows with C-X 2. In one window, use C-X C-F to open a new file called mysound.lisp. Because the name of the file you're working on ends in ".lisp", Emacs figured out that you're going to type a Lisp program, and so the mode of that buffer is "(Lisp Slime)". Even though this isn't the SLIME REPL buffer where you talk to Lisp, you'll get a lot of the nice features of SLIME, including paren blinking, automatic indentation, automatic documentation retrieval, and tab completion.

Type your own little Lisp program into this buffer, with a call to with-sound and one or more calls to fm-violin.

When you're ready to try your program, put the cursor inside it somewhere and type C-M-x. This will send your program to Lisp. If there's an error it will bring up the debugger as before. Otherwise, your program will run, and you'll see the return value (which will probably be the string "test.snd") at the very bottom of Emacs.

Another way to run your program is to save the file (C-X s) and then load it into Lisp:

(load "mysound.lisp")

You can also explicitly copy and paste between the buffer that contains your file and the SLIME REPL buffer, M-C-k is super useful, because it cuts an entire Lisp expression (i.e., a complete set of balanced parentheses and everything between them).
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From lievenmoors at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 17 04:43:51 2006
From: lievenmoors at hotmail.com (Lieven Moors)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:43:51 +0200
Subject: [CM] clm not working (with cmucl and jack)
Message-ID: <BAY108-F8946CF3AA6DE5950AF049BE0E0@phx.gbl>

hi, i'm still having trouble with clm. when i try to make a sound, i just 
get xruns in the jack-server, and lisp is killed without any errors. in top, 
i can see lisp eat about 80% of memory before it gets killed.
actually at one time the violin did play without problems, for 60 seconds.
but i'm not able to reproduce this.
this is what happenes:

(load "/usr/src/clm/clm-3/v.cmucl")
(with-sound () (fm-violin 0 60 440 .1))

here is the output from jack:

new client: sndlib0, id = 3 type 2 @ 0xb5cc6000 fd = 19
registered port sndlib0:out_1, offset = 3072
12:46:33.025 Audio connection graph change.
registered port sndlib0:out_2, offset = 4096
registered port sndlib0:in_1, offset = 0
registered port sndlib0:in_2, offset = 0
registered port sndlib0:in_3, offset = 0
registered port sndlib0:in_4, offset = 0

**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1441.404 msecs
**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 209.315 msecs
removing disconnected client sndlib0 state = Not triggered errors = 0
removing client "sndlib0"
removing client "sndlib0" from the processing chain

after that lisp just gets disconnected

would be very grateful for your help




From taube at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 17 05:04:39 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 07:04:39 -0500
Subject: [CM] clm on os x
In-Reply-To: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>
References: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <F345AE1D-51E5-4B5C-9546-480526F01DDE@uiuc.edu>

>
> However, in this new window, I'm not getting the "nice features of  
> SLIME, including paren blinking, automatic indentation, automatic  
> documentation retrieval, and tab completion". So, what am I doing  
> wrong here? I do get all the "nice features" if I stay in my  
> original *slime-repl openmcl* window. All these nice features do  
> seem to be the point of working in emacs to begin with.

odd. sounds like lisp mode is not working or is not turned on despite  
the mode line. try explicitly setting the buffer to lisp mode to see  
if thats the issue, ie do:
	 M-x lisp-mode
and see if you have any lisp editing commands.

also make sure the first line in your new buffer has (in-package :cm)  
or (in-package :clm) or whatever.




From J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk  Tue Oct 17 06:26:25 2006
From: J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk (Joseph Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 14:26:25 +0100
Subject: [CM] clm on os x
References: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk> <F345AE1D-51E5-4B5C-9546-480526F01DDE@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59783@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>

Thanks Rick. Though I only seem to be half-way there.

Putting (in-package :cm) at the top of the new buffer does fix the business with the syntax look-up and tab completion. 

Lisp mode does appear to be set. And as suggested I forced it with M-x lisp-mode. Paren blinking works (was working before). Most features do seem to work. However, the automatic indention isn't working. This seems odd to me.

The automatic indentation does work in the *slime-repl openmcl* window.

Don't know if this matters or not, but I haven't set up a .emacs file in my $HOME directory. I've just used the CM.app with Aquamacs 0.9.8, and this seemed to work fine w/out adding a .emacs.

Thanks for the help.

J Anderson




-----Original Message-----
From:	cmdist-admin at ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Rick Taube
Sent:	Tue 10/17/2006 1:04 PM
To:	Joseph Anderson
Cc:	Common Muisc List
Subject:	Re: [CM] clm on os x

>
> However, in this new window, I'm not getting the "nice features of  
> SLIME, including paren blinking, automatic indentation, automatic  
> documentation retrieval, and tab completion". So, what am I doing  
> wrong here? I do get all the "nice features" if I stay in my  
> original *slime-repl openmcl* window. All these nice features do  
> seem to be the point of working in emacs to begin with.

odd. sounds like lisp mode is not working or is not turned on despite  
the mode line. try explicitly setting the buffer to lisp mode to see  
if thats the issue, ie do:
	 M-x lisp-mode
and see if you have any lisp editing commands.

also make sure the first line in your new buffer has (in-package :cm)  
or (in-package :clm) or whatever.


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From taube at uiuc.edu  Tue Oct 17 06:42:32 2006
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 08:42:32 -0500
Subject: [CM] clm on os x
In-Reply-To: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59783@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>
References: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk> <F345AE1D-51E5-4B5C-9546-480526F01DDE@uiuc.edu> <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59783@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC8E75A-E0AB-43E4-8B44-5A5D70C796FA@uiuc.edu>

now sure whats up with indentation.
try adding this to a ~/.emacs file:

(require 'slime)
(define-key slime-mode-map (kbd "TAB") 'slime-indent-anything)

(defun slime-indent-anything ()
   "Do line indentation/symbol completion; indent region if
selected; indent whole defun if prefixed."
   (interactive)
   (if current-prefix-arg
       (slime-reindent-defun )
     (if (and (and mark-active (not (null (mark))))
	     (> (count-lines (region-beginning) (region-end)) 1))
	(lisp-indent-region (region-beginning) (region-end))
       (slime-indent-and-complete-symbol))))




From J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk  Tue Oct 17 07:07:09 2006
From: J.Anderson at hull.ac.uk (Joseph Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:07:09 +0100
Subject: [CM] clm on os x
References: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59781@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk> <F345AE1D-51E5-4B5C-9546-480526F01DDE@uiuc.edu> <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59783@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk> <4AC8E75A-E0AB-43E4-8B44-5A5D70C796FA@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <B4D92F54ADAEEC42895C3F2E6C965A33B59784@kermit.scar.hull.ac.uk>

Hell Rick,

Adding .emacs as you suggest below, I get:


An error has occurred while loading `/Users/josephla/.emacs':

File error: Cannot open load file, slime



The complete text in the *Messages* window is as below:

(/Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Aquamacs Emacs --eval (setq inhibit-startup-message t) --directory /Applications/Sound/CommonMusic/CM.app/Contents/Resources/slime -l /Applications/Sound/CommonMusic/CM.app/Contents/Resources/cm/etc/xemacs/cm.el --eval (progn (if (member (quote aquamacs) features) (make-frame)) (enable-cm-commands) (cm "/Applications/Sound/CommonMusic/CM.app/Contents/Resources/cm/bin/cm.sh -l /Applications/Sound/CommonMusic/CM.app/Contents/Resources/ccl/dppccl")))
Loading prestart plugin files ...
... done.
Aquamacs Mule installed.
Loading cl-macs...done
Defining fontset: monaco
Defining fontset: lucida
Defining fontset: lucida_typewriter
Defining fontset: lucida_console
Defining fontset: courier
Defining fontset: vera_mono
Loading fringe...done
Loading easy-mmode...done
Loading encoded-kb...done
Loading edmacro...done
Loading /Users/josephla/Library/Preferences/Aquamacs Emacs/Recent Files.el (source)...done
Cleaning up the recentf list...done (0 removed)
Loading cus-edit...
Loading jka-compr...done
uncompressing cus-edit.elc.gz...done
Loading cus-edit...done
Loading /Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/edit-modes/tex-site.el (source)...done
Loading edit-modes/nxml/rng-auto (source)...done
Loading plugins ...
Loading /Applications/Aquamacs Emacs.app/Contents/Resources/site-lisp/site-start (source)...done
... done.


An error has occurred while loading `/Users/josephla/.emacs':

File error: Cannot open load file, slime

To ensure normal operation, you should investigate and remove the
cause of the error in your initialization file.  Start Emacs with
the `--debug-init' option to view a complete error backtrace.

Loading cl-seq...done
Loading derived...done
Loading cl-extra...done
Polling "/tmp/slime.3622".. (Abort with `M-x slime-abort-connection'.) [37 times]
Connecting to Swank on port 55843..
Process bridge is installed
Loading animate...done
Connected. Your hacking starts... NOW!
Mark set [4 times]



-----Original Message-----
From:	cmdist-admin at ccrma.Stanford.EDU on behalf of Rick Taube
Sent:	Tue 10/17/2006 2:42 PM
To:	Joseph Anderson
Cc:	Common Muisc List
Subject:	Re: [CM] clm on os x

now sure whats up with indentation.
try adding this to a ~/.emacs file:

(require 'slime)
(define-key slime-mode-map (kbd "TAB") 'slime-indent-anything)

(defun slime-indent-anything ()
   "Do line indentation/symbol completion; indent region if
selected; indent whole defun if prefixed."
   (interactive)
   (if current-prefix-arg
       (slime-reindent-defun )
     (if (and (and mark-active (not (null (mark))))
	     (> (count-lines (region-beginning) (region-end)) 1))
	(lisp-indent-region (region-beginning) (region-end))
       (slime-indent-and-complete-symbol))))


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From dto at gnu.org  Tue Oct 17 10:37:26 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 13:37:26 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Mon\, 16 Oct 2006 02\:54\:28 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush>
Message-ID: <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org>

I'm about to configure the cvs version of Snd so I can start playing
with the realtime functions. 

Which is better for realtime---Guile or Gauche??

"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:

> I don't know which version is in planetccrma-fc5, but
> I guess you can use it. There are some important bugs fixed only a few
> weeks ago though, so you are probably best off with the latest version
> instead. And the latest version of snd-ls should always be fine too.
>
> Another thing is that for the rt examples that use graphics, you need
> snd compiled with gtk, and I think planet-ccrma only supplies snd
> compiled with motif...
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm using the Snd that comes with planetccrma-fc5. Should I be using
>> some special CVS version?
>>
>> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>>
>>> "David O'Toole":
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
>>>> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
>>>> language :-).
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
>>> if (read: when) you find bugs.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
>>>> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
>>>> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
>>> Used to, at least.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> David O'Toole
>> dto at gnu.org
>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Tue Oct 17 10:46:52 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 19:46:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush> <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610171943160.6655@ttleush>

Gauche is not supported, so you must use guile. But even it was, it 
shouldn't matter that much, because the realtime part is a seperate 
scheme-like compiler not running in either guile or gauche.

When you have things up and running, do also set your CFLAGS
environment variable to "-march=<your cpu-type>"
for a small speedup. (20% or so for athlon-xp cpus)


On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:

>
> I'm about to configure the cvs version of Snd so I can start playing
> with the realtime functions.
>
> Which is better for realtime---Guile or Gauche??
>
> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>
>> I don't know which version is in planetccrma-fc5, but
>> I guess you can use it. There are some important bugs fixed only a few
>> weeks ago though, so you are probably best off with the latest version
>> instead. And the latest version of snd-ls should always be fine too.
>>
>> Another thing is that for the rt examples that use graphics, you need
>> snd compiled with gtk, and I think planet-ccrma only supplies snd
>> compiled with motif...
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm using the Snd that comes with planetccrma-fc5. Should I be using
>>> some special CVS version?
>>>
>>> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>>>
>>>> "David O'Toole":
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
>>>>> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
>>>>> language :-).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
>>>> if (read: when) you find bugs.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
>>>>> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
>>>>> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
>>>> Used to, at least.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David O'Toole
>>> dto at gnu.org
>>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>>>
>
> -- 
> David O'Toole
> dto at gnu.org
> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>



From dto at gnu.org  Tue Oct 17 12:10:32 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 15:10:32 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610171943160.6655@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Tue\, 17 Oct 2006 19\:46\:52 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush> <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610171943160.6655@ttleush>
Message-ID: <m38xjewyfr.fsf@gnu.org>

Thanks for the tip... I've got an athlon xp, so this will be perfect!

I'll begin experimenting with the realtime stuff and keep you posted.

By the way, I have a preliminary screenshot of the Common Lisp UI
library I am building, in particular the dataflow subclasses that I
will use to build graphs that control Snd behind the scenes. You'll
probably recognize the look :-)

It's in a very preliminary phase, I've only been working on it for
about 2 days, but here is the link:

http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/ClFrame.html

CL-FRAME is designed to be able to control multiple other programs, so
it could conceivably have targets other than Snd. For example, Emacs. 

"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:

> Gauche is not supported, so you must use guile. But even it was, it
> shouldn't matter that much, because the realtime part is a seperate
> scheme-like compiler not running in either guile or gauche.
>
> When you have things up and running, do also set your CFLAGS
> environment variable to "-march=<your cpu-type>"
> for a small speedup. (20% or so for athlon-xp cpus)
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm about to configure the cvs version of Snd so I can start playing
>> with the realtime functions.
>>
>> Which is better for realtime---Guile or Gauche??
>>
>> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>>
>>> I don't know which version is in planetccrma-fc5, but
>>> I guess you can use it. There are some important bugs fixed only a few
>>> weeks ago though, so you are probably best off with the latest version
>>> instead. And the latest version of snd-ls should always be fine too.
>>>
>>> Another thing is that for the rt examples that use graphics, you need
>>> snd compiled with gtk, and I think planet-ccrma only supplies snd
>>> compiled with motif...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm using the Snd that comes with planetccrma-fc5. Should I be using
>>>> some special CVS version?
>>>>
>>>> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "David O'Toole":
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been sniffing around Google and it seems like building this on
>>>>>> top of Snd would be best. I am quite married to lisp, it's my favorite
>>>>>> language :-).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are using the realtime extension, please let me know immediately
>>>>> if (read: when) you find bugs.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I see that Snd allows interaction on stdin/stdout. This means I should
>>>>>> be able to write a CL program that starts Snd in the background, using
>>>>>> Snd as a sort of audio server, then send s-expressions to Snd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also do everything in SND. As far as I know, CL works in SND.
>>>>> Used to, at least.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Cmdist mailing list
>>>>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David O'Toole
>>>> dto at gnu.org
>>>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> David O'Toole
>> dto at gnu.org
>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>>
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Tue Oct 17 17:13:43 2006
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:13:43 +0200
Subject: [CM] GtkFileChooser
Message-ID: <87u022iiq0.fsf@esben-stien.name>

Any plans to use the standard GTK+ filechooser in Snd?

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From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Tue Oct 17 17:23:19 2006
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:23:19 +0200
Subject: [CM] Preferences Window Scrolling (Snd)
Message-ID: <87pscqiia0.fsf@esben-stien.name>

It would be nice if the preferences window were not a scrollable
window; maybe split it up into different tabs. When you scroll this
window, you might change a value that you didn't want to change,
because the scrolling might change a value when you have the cursor on
top of it.

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From b0ef at esben-stien.name  Tue Oct 17 17:25:31 2006
From: b0ef at esben-stien.name (Esben Stien)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 02:25:31 +0200
Subject: [CM] Color Picker (Snd)
Message-ID: <87lkneii6c.fsf@esben-stien.name>

It would be nice with a color picker in the preferences window. I
somehow can't get the exact color of my main gtk+ theme on the "main
background color" value.

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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 17 16:53:33 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 16:53:33 -0700
Subject: [CM] GtkFileChooser
In-Reply-To: <87u022iiq0.fsf@esben-stien.name>
References: <87u022iiq0.fsf@esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <20061017235210.M38641@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> Any plans to use the standard GTK+ filechooser in Snd? 

No.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 17 17:01:09 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 17:01:09 -0700
Subject: [CM] Color Picker (Snd)
In-Reply-To: <87lkneii6c.fsf@esben-stien.name>
References: <87lkneii6c.fsf@esben-stien.name>
Message-ID: <20061017235639.M69321@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> It would be nice with a color picker in the preferences window. I 
> somehow can't get the exact color of my main gtk+ theme on the "main 
> background color" value. 

Look at the theme definition file -- you should be able to find what the
background color is; the gtkrc style business uses exactly the same
numbers that Snd does, three (rgb) values between 0 and 1.  Type
those into the relevant text widgets in the preferences dialog (the numbers
that follow the scales can be edited by hand).



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Wed Oct 18 05:56:52 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:56:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] clm not working (with cmucl and jack)
In-Reply-To: <20061017174801.13430.18361.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
References: <20061017174801.13430.18361.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610181450460.8010@ttleush>

"Lieven Moors":
>
> hi, i'm still having trouble with clm. when i try to make a sound, i just
> get xruns in the jack-server, and lisp is killed without any errors. in top,
> i can see lisp eat about 80% of memory before it gets killed.
> actually at one time the violin did play without problems, for 60 seconds.
> but i'm not able to reproduce this.
> this is what happenes:
>
> (load "/usr/src/clm/clm-3/v.cmucl")
> (with-sound () (fm-violin 0 60 440 .1))
>
> here is the output from jack:
>
> new client: sndlib0, id = 3 type 2 @ 0xb5cc6000 fd = 19
> registered port sndlib0:out_1, offset = 3072
> 12:46:33.025 Audio connection graph change.
> registered port sndlib0:out_2, offset = 4096
> registered port sndlib0:in_1, offset = 0
> registered port sndlib0:in_2, offset = 0
> registered port sndlib0:in_3, offset = 0
> registered port sndlib0:in_4, offset = 0
>
> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1441.404 msecs
> **** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 209.315 msecs
> removing disconnected client sndlib0 state = Not triggered errors = 0
> removing client "sndlib0"
> removing client "sndlib0" from the processing chain
>
> after that lisp just gets disconnected
>
> would be very grateful for your help
>

Sounds like you are running out of memory. Try to use the "No Memory Lock" 
switch for jack, and less used memory in the lisp process should get 
swapped out.




From rm at tuxteam.de  Wed Oct 18 06:36:45 2006
From: rm at tuxteam.de (rm at tuxteam.de)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:36:45 +0000
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <m38xjewyfr.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush> <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org> <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610171943160.6655@ttleush> <m38xjewyfr.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20061018133645.GA3172@seid-online.de>

On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 03:10:32PM -0400, David O'Toole wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the tip... I've got an athlon xp, so this will be perfect!
> 
> I'll begin experimenting with the realtime stuff and keep you posted.
> 
> By the way, I have a preliminary screenshot of the Common Lisp UI
> library I am building, in particular the dataflow subclasses that I
> will use to build graphs that control Snd behind the scenes. You'll
> probably recognize the look :-)
> 
> It's in a very preliminary phase, I've only been working on it for
> about 2 days, but here is the link:
> 
> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/ClFrame.html
> 
> CL-FRAME is designed to be able to control multiple other programs, so
> it could conceivably have targets other than Snd. For example, Emacs. 

Just out of curiosity: to me it looks a bit like you reinvent the wheel
- why don't you base your application on the fine McCLIM framework.
  You'd get all sorts of widgets for free, _including_ a cool Lisp
Listener/REPL and graph drawing widgets. From what i understand you seem
to go for some kind of presentation based user interface (a.k. Lisp
Machines or CLIM). McCLIM gives you all of this (and a promising Emacs
clone in Common Lisp).

 Cheers, Ralf Mattes



From dto at gnu.org  Wed Oct 18 11:26:40 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:26:40 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Real-time CLM
In-Reply-To: <20061018133645.GA3172@seid-online.de> (rm@tuxteam.de's message
	of "Wed\, 18 Oct 2006 13\:36\:45 +0000")
References: <20061015190003.23321.39473.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610152108320.6601@ttleush> <m3r6x9xg8m.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610160248260.6601@ttleush> <m3u022x2qx.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610171943160.6655@ttleush> <m38xjewyfr.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061018133645.GA3172@seid-online.de>
Message-ID: <m3wt6xtr8f.fsf@gnu.org>

rm at tuxteam.de writes:

> Just out of curiosity: to me it looks a bit like you reinvent the wheel
> - why don't you base your application on the fine McCLIM framework.
>   You'd get all sorts of widgets for free, _including_ a cool Lisp
> Listener/REPL and graph drawing widgets. From what i understand you seem
> to go for some kind of presentation based user interface (a.k. Lisp
> Machines or CLIM). McCLIM gives you all of this (and a promising Emacs
> clone in Common Lisp).

I'm not fond of general-purpose GUI toolkits. I find most of them
rather heavyweight and slow... not always the best thing if your
realtime audio process is competing for CPU. I would prefer to just do
things with direct CLX calls, and I find CLX very easy to work with.

With most of the UI implemented, all of CL-FRAME is only about 1000
lines, so if I've reinvented the wheel, it's a small wheel :-)

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From lievenmoors at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 19 02:48:46 2006
From: lievenmoors at hotmail.com (Lieven Moors)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:48:46 +0200
Subject: [CM] clm not working (with cmucl and jack)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610181450460.8010@ttleush>
Message-ID: <BAY108-F220938104773CD82A3B8A7BE0C0@phx.gbl>



>From: "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no>
>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>CC: lievenmoors at hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: [CM] clm not working (with cmucl and jack)
>Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:56:52 +0200 (CEST)
>
>
>"Lieven Moors":
>>
>>hi, i'm still having trouble with clm. when i try to make a sound, i just
>>get xruns in the jack-server, and lisp is killed without any errors. in 
>>top,
>>i can see lisp eat about 80% of memory before it gets killed.
>>actually at one time the violin did play without problems, for 60 seconds.
>>but i'm not able to reproduce this.
>>this is what happenes:
>>
>>(load "/usr/src/clm/clm-3/v.cmucl")
>>(with-sound () (fm-violin 0 60 440 .1))
>>
>>here is the output from jack:
>>
>>new client: sndlib0, id = 3 type 2 @ 0xb5cc6000 fd = 19
>>registered port sndlib0:out_1, offset = 3072
>>12:46:33.025 Audio connection graph change.
>>registered port sndlib0:out_2, offset = 4096
>>registered port sndlib0:in_1, offset = 0
>>registered port sndlib0:in_2, offset = 0
>>registered port sndlib0:in_3, offset = 0
>>registered port sndlib0:in_4, offset = 0
>>
>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 1441.404 msecs
>>**** alsa_pcm: xrun of at least 209.315 msecs
>>removing disconnected client sndlib0 state = Not triggered errors = 0
>>removing client "sndlib0"
>>removing client "sndlib0" from the processing chain
>>
>>after that lisp just gets disconnected
>>
>>would be very grateful for your help
>>
>
>Sounds like you are running out of memory. Try to use the "No Memory Lock" 
>switch for jack, and less used memory in the lisp process should get 
>swapped out.
>
>

thanks a lot for your help!
that switch did the trick, no i can make a start with clm...

greetings,

lieven




From dto at gnu.org  Thu Oct 19 10:31:30 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:31:30 -0400
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
Message-ID: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org>

I'm trying to get the snd-rt examples running but have hit a snag.

I am using Snd from CVS (as of two days ago.)
I started Jack before doing the following: 

--------------------------------------------------------
>(define snd-header-files-path "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/")
#<unspecified>
>snd-header-files-path
"/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/"
>(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
compilation-failed: ()
>
compilation-failed
>
--------------------------------------------------------

The following is visible at snd's standard output:

--------------------------------------------------------
Compiling /tmp/fileDZszRR.c
Compiling /tmp/fileqZjzi3.c
/tmp/fileqZjzi3.c:36:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory
/tmp/fileqZjzi3.c: In function ?gakk3?:
/tmp/fileqZjzi3.c:70: warning: implicit declaration of function ?TO_VCT?
--------------------------------------------------------


Questions: 

1. Why did I have to tell rt-compiler.scm to look in
"/home/dto/src/cvs-snd" for the snd header files? I couldn't seem to
locate any other "snd.h" on my system. Did I miss a step during
installation of Snd?

2. Where do I get this config.h that the compiler is looking for? 


Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. 



-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Oct 19 11:35:45 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:35:45 -0700
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <20061019183138.M45895@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

> 2. Where do I get this config.h that the compiler is looking for? 

I think this file is now named mus-config.h -- the new Snd uses
that name, rather than config.h.  I'm trying to prepare for stuff like
an ECL extension language choice, and make libxm and libsndlib
less likely to collide with other's config.h files -- the name config.h was
asking for trouble, but that wasn't obvious 8 or 10 years ago (and
it was the recommended choice per autoconf).

So, the CVS version is perhaps not completely self-consistent right now.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Oct 19 11:42:46 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 11:42:46 -0700
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <20061019183138.M45895@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
References: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org> <20061019183138.M45895@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
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> So, the CVS version is perhaps not completely self-consistent right now. 

hmm -- I just checked everything, and I think all files use mus-config.h.
So something else is to blame.



From dto at gnu.org  Thu Oct 19 11:46:53 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:46:53 -0400
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <20061019184149.M61437@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's
	message of "Thu\, 19 Oct 2006 11\:42\:46 -0700")
References: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061019183138.M45895@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20061019184149.M61437@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <m34pu0gn36.fsf@gnu.org>

Ok, perhaps I should do a cvs update. I last downloaded it a few days
ago.

I will let you know how things go.

"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

>> So, the CVS version is perhaps not completely self-consistent right
> now.
>
> hmm -- I just checked everything, and I think all files use
> mus-config.h.  So something else is to blame.
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Thu Oct 19 12:21:10 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 21:21:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
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References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush>


"David O'Toole":
>
> I'm trying to get the snd-rt examples running but have hit a snag.
>
> I am using Snd from CVS (as of two days ago.)
> I started Jack before doing the following:
>
>
>> (define snd-header-files-path "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/")
> #<unspecified>
>> snd-header-files-path
> "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/"
>> (load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
> compilation-failed: ()
>>
> compilation-failed
>>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> The following is visible at snd's standard output:
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Compiling /tmp/fileDZszRR.c
> Compiling /tmp/fileqZjzi3.c
> /tmp/fileqZjzi3.c:36:20: error: config.h: No such file or directory
> /tmp/fileqZjzi3.c: In function ???gakk3???:
> /tmp/fileqZjzi3.c:70: warning: implicit declaration of function ???TO_VCT???
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. Why did I have to tell rt-compiler.scm to look in
> "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd" for the snd header files? I couldn't seem to
> locate any other "snd.h" on my system. Did I miss a step during
> installation of Snd?
>
> 2. Where do I get this config.h that the compiler is looking for?
>
>

I don't know why this happens. This problem should have been fixed...

Perhaps you should try snd-ls instead of snd since snd-ls is supposed to
allways work for realtime usage:
http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/doc/snd-rt/html/rt-Z-H-3.html#node_sec_2

From dto at gnu.org  Fri Oct 20 14:08:56 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:08:56 -0400
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <20061019184149.M61437@ccrma.Stanford.EDU> (Bill Schottstaedt's
	message of "Thu\, 19 Oct 2006 11\:42\:46 -0700")
References: <m3k62wqkjx.fsf@gnu.org>
	<20061019183138.M45895@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
	<20061019184149.M61437@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Message-ID: <m3ac3qg0ev.fsf@gnu.org>

Hi, I'm still unable to get the RT-examples running with the latest
Snd from CVS.

Last time I had the problem that it was looking for "config.h" whereas
the file is now called "mus-config.h". So I symlinked config.h to
mus-config.h and the compilation proceeded, not complaining anymore
about a missing config.h. I suspect this means something in CVS really
does refer to config.h.

The terminal output for compilation is as follows: 

> [root at localhost cvs-snd]# Compiling /tmp/fileLacCL1.c
> Compiling /tmp/filetCxcqQ.c
> /tmp/filetCxcqQ.c: In function ?gakk3?:
> /tmp/filetCxcqQ.c:70: warning: implicit declaration of function ?TO_VCT?
> Compiling /tmp/file0tBM5F.c
> Compiling /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c: In function ?jack_port_name_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c:267: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c: In function ?jack_port_short_name_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c:276: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c: In function ?jack_port_type_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileAQJB6w.c:294: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> Compiling /tmp/fileaKl1Ev.c
> Compiling /tmp/filemapdix.c
> Compiling /tmp/file4WrP6z.c
> Compiling /tmp/fileI6vIEE.c
> Compiling /tmp/fileivgXEL.c
> Compiling /tmp/fileAaHacY.c
> <jack-rt-driver>: starting!

However, things still do not work in Snd. There is an error about an
unbound variable when loading "rt-compiler.scm" which apparently
stops everything else from getting defined. 

Listener window output is below: 

> >(define snd-header-files-path "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/")
> #<unspecified>
> >(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
> Unbound variable: average?
> >
> unbound-variable
> >(let ((osc (make-oscil)))
>   (<rt-play> 0 3
> 	   (lambda ()
> 	     (out (* 0.8
> 		     (oscil osc))))))


> Unbound variable: <rt-play>
> >
> unbound-variable
> >
> (definstrument (oscilator start duration)
>   (let ((osc (make-oscil))
> 	(vol 4/6))
>     (<rt-play> start duration
> 	       (lambda ()
> 		 (out (* (oscil osc)
> 			 vol))))))
> Unbound variable: definstrument
> >
> unbound-variable


"Bill Schottstaedt" <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> writes:

>> So, the CVS version is perhaps not completely self-consistent right now. 
>
> hmm -- I just checked everything, and I think all files use mus-config.h.
> So something else is to blame.
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From howell at ucsc.edu  Fri Oct 20 13:08:11 2006
From: howell at ucsc.edu (David Cope)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:08:11 -0700
Subject: [CM] WACM
Message-ID: <p04320413c15edc7a0d9c@[128.114.11.166]>


Dear Colleague,

This summer, for the fifth consecutive year, we'll be offering the 
Workshop in Algorithmic Computer Music (WACM) at UC Santa Cruz. 
Student evaluations from past years have been uniformly positive and 
we're excited about doing it again. One of the things the students 
benefit most from is limiting the workshop to fifteen students, which 
allows for a very high student/teacher ratio. This means, however, 
that people applying later in the year may not get in. I'm sending 
you this email to give you an opportunity to apply before our main 
publicity goes out. I won't barrage you with details here (a general 
blurb appears below), but if you're interested you can visit the 
website, which is at:

http://summer.ucsc.edu/wacm

... and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any 
questions. If you know anyone else who might benefit from the 
workshop, please feel free to forward this message.

All best,

Dave Cope

The fifth Workshop in Algorithmic Computer Music (WACM) will take 
place from June 25 through July 8, 2007 at the University of 
California, Santa Cruz (UCSC). The workshop will be held at UCSC's 
Music Center, which features state of the art facilities as well as 
sweeping vistas of the Monterey Bay. David Cope, Paul Nauert, Peter 
Elsea, and Soren Goodman will be among those on hand to teach and 
advise workshop attendees. Participants will take classes on the 
basic techniques of algorithmic composition and algorithmic music 
analysis, learning and using the computer programming language Lisp. 
Participants will create three significant software projects: a 
Markov-based rules program, a genetic algorithm, and software modeled 
on the Experiments in Musical Intelligence program. Music analysis 
software and techniques will also be covered in depth. Many 
compositional approaches will be discussed in detail including 
rules-based techniques, data-driven models, genetic algorithms, 
neural networks, fuzzy logic, mathematical modeling, and 
sonification. Software programs such as Common Music, Max, Open 
Music, and so on will also be presented and used.

The workshop is limited to 15 participants to ensure an excellent 
student/teacher ratio..

The first two days of the workshop are optional and will cover basic 
Lisp programming. Those individuals with extensive programming 
experience and/or prior experience using Lisp may not need to attend 
these first two days.

Each participant will receive a class reference manual, class 
software in source code, and other printed and software tools and 
guides relevant to the workshop's goals. Access to the world class 
computer music facilities at UCSC will allow performances and special 
lectures by invited guests. The workshop includes five daily hours of 
individual computer time (with an advisor close at hand). Each week 
will culminate in performances of participant works and presentations 
of analysis and composition software. By the workshop's end, each 
participant will have gained facility with Lisp, have written 
compositional and analytical software programs, and be presented with 
a CD of their compositions.

Prospective students must have an ability to read music and 
understand basic music theory as well as have at least a basic 
facility with computers (text editing, etc.). Students need not be 
active musicians or programmers. Room and board is available on 
campus if desired. 5 quarter units of credit is available.
-- 

To obtain Experiments in Musical Intelligence and other music by 
David Cope go to http://www.spectrumpress.com.

For information on the fifth annual (2007) Workshop on Algorithmic 
Computer Music (WACM) go to http://summer.ucsc.edu/wacm/.

David Cope
   Professor, Music Department
     Music Center, University of California, Santa Cruz
     Santa Cruz, CA 95064
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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Oct 21 04:11:17 2006
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 04:11:17 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd 8.5
Message-ID: <20061021110833.M37742@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

Snd 8.5-- (this is mostly a "clean up loose ends" version)

many improvements thanks to Kjetil and Mike.

gl2ps support, gl-graph->ps function, --with-gl2ps switch, gl2ps.[ch]

added gtk-effects-utils.scm, gtk support for *-menu.scm.

finally implemented the log-frequency display in non-GL spectrograms.

save-marks changed to keep matching sync values
add-mark now takes new optional trailing args: name and sync

removed the gtk_print stuff from xg.c since it's all useless without
  support for the cairo graphics functions and the pango functions
  that access them.

sounds->segment-data (examp.scm) -- returns segment start/dur/maxamp data for
  collections of sounds.

with-file-monitor -- can be set to #f to turn off the FAM process stuff.

add-watcher and delete-watcher -- this is a simpler (and less accident-prone)
  hook to catch any change to the sound list, the current selection, or the mark list; 
  it is intended to replace the multi-hook kludges currently used to set dialog button
  sensitivity, for example.  Since each watcher is identified by a unique integer,
  local (unnamed) functions can easily be deleted and so on.

  removed selection-changed-hook (use simpler watcher mechanism instead).

in cmn, thickness message now affects bars locally.  Added *double-barline-thickness*.

Michael Edwards got CLM running in ACL 8 and Windows.

checked: gtk-2.10.4|5|6, sbcl 0.9.17, clisp 2.40|1.

Thanks: Michael Edwards, Mike Scholz, Kjetil Matheussen, Carlos Pita,
    Carsten Heinrigs, Dragan Novetski, Jacek M. Holeczek, David O'Toole



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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 22 09:12:21 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:12:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Issues in running Snd-RT
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"David O'Toole":
>
>
> Hi, I'm still unable to get the RT-examples running with the latest
> Snd from CVS.
>
> Last time I had the problem that it was looking for "config.h" whereas
> the file is now called "mus-config.h". So I symlinked config.h to
> mus-config.h and the compilation proceeded, not complaining anymore
> about a missing config.h. I suspect this means something in CVS really
> does refer to config.h.
>
> The terminal output for compilation is as follows:
>

Your errors does not make sence. I have a feeling that your %load-path
variable is not set, so that SND loads files from an older 
installation instead of the one belonging to your binary. Does
(set! %load-path (cons "/home/dto/src/cvs-snd/" %load-path)
help?




From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 22 14:56:05 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 17:56:05 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Sun\, 22 Oct 2006 18\:19\:42 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush> <m3ejt1cupi.fsf@gnu.org>
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Message-ID: <m3vemc816y.fsf@gnu.org>

Hi Kjetil,

> Ouch, the realtime stuff is supposed to work without
> snd_conffile.scm. Why is snd_conffile.scm needed? san_dysth works just
> fine without snd_conffile.scm...

I uninstalled *all* versions of Snd on the system, then downloaded and
installed snd-ls as you suggested. 

I set my load path (see transcript below) and still get the exact same
error, about an unbound variable named "srfi-loaded":

> >(set! %load-path (cons "/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8" %load-path)
> >
> >%load-path
> ("/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8" "/usr/share/guile/site" "/usr/share/guile/1.6" "/usr/share/guile" ".")
> >(define snd-header-files-path "/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8")
> #<unspecified>
> >(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
> Unbound variable: srfi-loaded
> >
> unbound-variable

This variable is defined in snd_conffile.scm, which I cannot load
because I am configuring without GTK.

I tried just copying the one line from snd_conffile.scm but it doesn't
help. I get the long error shown below. 

> >(define srfi-loaded #f)
> #<unspecified>
> >(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")Deleting obsolete cached code  /root/snd-eval-c-cache/cache.PPLDJ5.so and /root/snd-eval-c-cache/cache.PPLDJ5 .

> Unbound variable: gtk_events_pending
> In unknown file:
>    ?:  0* [primitive-load-path "eval-c.scm"]
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/eval-c.scm:
> 1619:  1* (let* ((dir #) (entry #)) (letrec (# #) (catch # # #)) (closedir dir))
> 1621:  2* (letrec ((continue #) (break #)) (catch (quote break) (lambda () #) ...))
> In unknown file:
>    ?:  3  [catch break #<procedure #f (() (continue))> #<procedure #f (v (cadr v))>]
>    ?:  4* [#<procedure #f (() (continue))>]
>    ?:  5* [continue]
>    ?:  6  (or (not (not #)) (begin (begin # #) (continue)))
>    ?:  7  (begin (begin (if # #) (set! entry #)) (continue))
>    ?:  8  [continue]
>    ?:  9  (or (not (not #)) (begin (begin # #) (continue)))
>    ?: 10  (begin (begin (if # #) (set! entry #)) (continue))
>    ?: 11* (begin (if (and # # # ...) (let # # #)) (set! entry (readdir dir)))
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/eval-c.scm:
> 1622: 12* (if (and (not #) (not #) ...) (let (# #) (catch #t # ...) ...))
> 1627: 13  (let ((filename #) (itsokey #t)) (catch #t (lambda () # ...) ...) ...)
> 1644: 14  (if itsokey (if (or # # #) (begin # #) (set! eval-c-cache #)))
> 1645: 15  (if (or # # #) (begin # #) (set! eval-c-cache #))
> 1648: 16  (begin (c-display "Deleting obsolete cached code " # "and" ...) (system #))
> 1649: 17* [c-display "Deleting obsolete cached code " ...]
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/oo.scm:
>  182: 18  (while (= 1 (gtk_events_pending)) (gtk_main_iteration))
>  182: 19  (letrec ((continue #) (break #)) (catch (quote break) (lambda () #) ...))
> In unknown file:
>    ?: 20  [catch break #<procedure #f (() (continue))> #<procedure #f (v (cadr v))>]
>    ?: 21* [#<procedure #f (() (continue))>]
>    ?: 22* [continue]
>    ?: 23  (or (not (= 1 #)) (begin (begin #) (continue)))
>    ?: 24* [not ...
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/oo.scm:
>  182: 25* [= 1 ...
>  182: 26* (gtk_events_pending)

> >
> unbound-variable
> >


It appears that stuff included from rt-compiler.scm (the file oo.scm
in particular) depends on GTK, but only in one spot. I commented out
the body of that function and re-loaded rt-compiler.scm, which gave me
the following error:


> >
> unbound-variable
> >(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
> Unbound variable: eval-c
> In unknown file:
>    ?: 0* [primitive-load-path "rt-compiler.scm"]
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/rt-compiler.scm:
>   68: 1* (eval-c # "#include <config.h>" "#include <clm.h>" ...)

> >
> unbound-variable
>

So it appears that rt-compiler.scm requires eval-c.scm to be loaded
first. (This is not documented anywhere so far as I know.)

So I tried loading eval-c.scm. It also needs srfi-loaded defined. I
define it. I try loading again. Unbound variable: c-display. 

This is apparently defined in oo.scm. So I try loading that and get
this error: 

> define: misc-error: missing or extra expression () #f
> In unknown file:
>    ?: 0* [primitive-load-path "oo.scm"]
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/oo.scm:
>  170: 1* (define (c-display . args))

> >
> misc-error
> >


This would appear to be a syntax error, though I'm not especially
familiar with Scheme. Has this been tested? 

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 22 15:02:30 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:02:30 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Sun\, 22 Oct 2006 18\:19\:42 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush> <m3ejt1cupi.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush>
Message-ID: <m3fydg80w9.fsf@gnu.org>

Sorry, I introduced that last syntax error when I commented out the
body of the one function that referred to gtk. 

Fixing that, I was able to do the following: 

> >(load-from-path "oo.scm")
> #<unspecified>
> >(load-from-path "eval-c.scm")
> #<unspecified>

And those worked fine. 

But then I try to load rt-compiler.scm: 

> >(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
> compilation-failed: ()
> In unknown file:
>    ?:  0* [primitive-load-path "rt-compiler.scm"]
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/rt-compiler.scm:
> 5539:  1* (eval-c (<-> "-I" snd-header-files-path ...) "#include <config.h>" ...)
> 5539:  2  (if (not #) (eval-c-cache-it # # #))
> In unknown file:
>    ?:  3  [eval-c-cache-it "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " # ...
>    ?:  4*  [eval-c-eval # "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " ...]
>    ?:  5   (let* () (let* (# #) (let # #)))
>    ?:  6   (let* (# #) (let # #))
>    ?:  7   (let ((compile-options #)) (let* () (let* # # # ...)))
>    ?:  8   (let* () (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...))
> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/eval-c.scm:
> 1715:  9   (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...)
> 1741: 10*  (if (not (= 0 #)) (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #)))
> 1747: 11   (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #))
> 1750: 12   [gsubr-apply #<primitive-procedure throw> compilation-failed]


The following is on standard output after this happens: 

> [root at localhost snd-8]# sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ?jack_port_name_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:267: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ?jack_port_short_name_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:276: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ?jack_port_type_eval_c_helper?:
> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:294: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
> Alsa library loaded.
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:38:20: error: ladspa.h: No such file or directory
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:47: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ?LADSPA_Descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ?ladspa_minus_set2?:
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:99: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_controls_in?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:101: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ?make_minus_ladspa2?:
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:124: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:128: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?audioin_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:139: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:143: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?audioout_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:153: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_controls_in?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controlin_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls_out?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_controls_out?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:167: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_controls_out?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controlout_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls_out?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:176: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:181: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?scm_ladspa?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ?mark_rt_ladspa?:
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:199: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?scm_output?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:200: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?scm_descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:201: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?scm_handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:202: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?scm_ladspa?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ?free_rt_ladspa?:
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:210: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:214: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?descriptor?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?handle?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:218: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:219: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controls_out?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:224: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:228: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:233: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?ins?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:238: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?num_audio_outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:242: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:247: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?outs?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:248: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?audioin_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:249: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?audioout_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:250: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controlin_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:251: error: ?struct mus_rt_ladspa? has no member named ?controlout_port_nums?
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ?mark_rt_ladspa?:
> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:204: warning: control reaches end of non-void function



"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:

> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>
>>
>> Hello Kjetil,
>>
>> We seem to have tracked down my errors to snd_conffile.scm not being
>> loaded.
>
> Ouch, the realtime stuff is supposed to work without
> snd_conffile.scm. Why is snd_conffile.scm needed? san_dysth works just
> fine without snd_conffile.scm...
>
>
>> I actually do have the file in my CVS download directory, so I
>> loaded that first, and got some errors about undefined GTK symbols. It
>> appears to depend on GTK.
>>
>> I'm reluctant to just use snd-ls, for several reasons.
>>
>> I want to configure Snd with -march=athlon-xp (for as much as 20%
>> speedup, i'm told) and --with-motif. Besides preferring the Motif
>> version visually, I am also experiencing a bug that prevents me from
>> running any GTK application under Distributed Multihead X (DMX) which
>> is what I use for my multihead desktop. So at this time the
>> GTK-version is not an option for me.
>>
>
> Okay, but you could use the SND source provided by snd-ls to do
> realtime work. You do that by running ./unpack.sh, and after that just
> configure and compile it the way you want. I guess this could
> be less frustrating for you, since snd from time to time is
> incompatible with rt-compiler and rt-engine because of api changes.
>
>
>> I would like to help get rt-compiler working with the Snd from
>> CVS. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction, so that I can
>> help write a different file to define all the symbols that rt-compiler
>> needs? I will take a look at it tonight but some pointers would
>> definitely help.
>>
>
> I'm not sure what I can point you to. Its supposed to work, really.
> But I think your %load-path is not set...
>
>
>> I am developing a graphical Common Lisp frontend for the Snd-RT stuff,
>> including realtime control. The home page for the project is
>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/ClFrame.html
>>
>
> Yeah, it looks cool. :-)
>
>
>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 22 15:12:32 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:12:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <m3fydg80w9.fsf@gnu.org>
References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush> <m3ejt1cupi.fsf@gnu.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush> <m3fydg80w9.fsf@gnu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230009370.9738@ttleush>


You are missing ladspa.h:
wget http://www.ladspa.org/ladspa_sdk/ladspa.h.txt
cp ladspa.h.txt /usr/include/ladspa.h


After that start snd and do the following:

(set! %load-path (cons "/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/" %load-path))
(define (gtk-events-pending) 0)
(define srfi-loaded)
(load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")




On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:

>
> Sorry, I introduced that last syntax error when I commented out the
> body of the one function that referred to gtk.
>
> Fixing that, I was able to do the following:
>
>>> (load-from-path "oo.scm")
>> #<unspecified>
>>> (load-from-path "eval-c.scm")
>> #<unspecified>
>
> And those worked fine.
>
> But then I try to load rt-compiler.scm:
>
>>> (load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
>> compilation-failed: ()
>> In unknown file:
>>    ?:  0* [primitive-load-path "rt-compiler.scm"]
>> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/rt-compiler.scm:
>> 5539:  1* (eval-c (<-> "-I" snd-header-files-path ...) "#include <config.h>" ...)
>> 5539:  2  (if (not #) (eval-c-cache-it # # #))
>> In unknown file:
>>    ?:  3  [eval-c-cache-it "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " # ...
>>    ?:  4*  [eval-c-eval # "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " ...]
>>    ?:  5   (let* () (let* (# #) (let # #)))
>>    ?:  6   (let* (# #) (let # #))
>>    ?:  7   (let ((compile-options #)) (let* () (let* # # # ...)))
>>    ?:  8   (let* () (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...))
>> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/eval-c.scm:
>> 1715:  9   (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...)
>> 1741: 10*  (if (not (= 0 #)) (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #)))
>> 1747: 11   (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #))
>> 1750: 12   [gsubr-apply #<primitive-procedure throw> compilation-failed]
>
>
> The following is on standard output after this happens:
>
>> [root at localhost snd-8]# sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_name_eval_c_helper??:
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:267: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_short_name_eval_c_helper??:
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:276: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_type_eval_c_helper??:
>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:294: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>> Alsa library loaded.
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:38:20: error: ladspa.h: No such file or directory
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:47: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ??LADSPA_Descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??ladspa_minus_set2??:
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:99: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_in??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:101: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??make_minus_ladspa2??:
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:124: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:128: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioin_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:139: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:143: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioout_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:153: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_in??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlin_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_out??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:167: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_out??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlout_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:176: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:181: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_ladspa??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??mark_rt_ladspa??:
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:199: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_output??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:200: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:201: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:202: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_ladspa??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??free_rt_ladspa??:
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:210: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:214: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:218: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:219: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:224: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:228: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:233: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:238: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:242: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:247: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:248: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioin_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:249: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioout_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:250: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlin_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:251: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlout_port_nums??
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??mark_rt_ladspa??:
>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:204: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
>
>
>
> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello Kjetil,
>>>
>>> We seem to have tracked down my errors to snd_conffile.scm not being
>>> loaded.
>>
>> Ouch, the realtime stuff is supposed to work without
>> snd_conffile.scm. Why is snd_conffile.scm needed? san_dysth works just
>> fine without snd_conffile.scm...
>>
>>
>>> I actually do have the file in my CVS download directory, so I
>>> loaded that first, and got some errors about undefined GTK symbols. It
>>> appears to depend on GTK.
>>>
>>> I'm reluctant to just use snd-ls, for several reasons.
>>>
>>> I want to configure Snd with -march=athlon-xp (for as much as 20%
>>> speedup, i'm told) and --with-motif. Besides preferring the Motif
>>> version visually, I am also experiencing a bug that prevents me from
>>> running any GTK application under Distributed Multihead X (DMX) which
>>> is what I use for my multihead desktop. So at this time the
>>> GTK-version is not an option for me.
>>>
>>
>> Okay, but you could use the SND source provided by snd-ls to do
>> realtime work. You do that by running ./unpack.sh, and after that just
>> configure and compile it the way you want. I guess this could
>> be less frustrating for you, since snd from time to time is
>> incompatible with rt-compiler and rt-engine because of api changes.
>>
>>
>>> I would like to help get rt-compiler working with the Snd from
>>> CVS. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction, so that I can
>>> help write a different file to define all the symbols that rt-compiler
>>> needs? I will take a look at it tonight but some pointers would
>>> definitely help.
>>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what I can point you to. Its supposed to work, really.
>> But I think your %load-path is not set...
>>
>>
>>> I am developing a graphical Common Lisp frontend for the Snd-RT stuff,
>>> including realtime control. The home page for the project is
>>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/ClFrame.html
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, it looks cool. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> David O'Toole
> dto at gnu.org
> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>

From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 22 15:15:59 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 00:15:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230009370.9738@ttleush>
References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush> <m3ejt1cupi.fsf@gnu.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush> <m3fydg80w9.fsf@gnu.org>
 <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230009370.9738@ttleush>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230013450.9738@ttleush>

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Kjetil S. Matheussen wrote:

>
> You are missing ladspa.h:
> wget http://www.ladspa.org/ladspa_sdk/ladspa.h.txt
> cp ladspa.h.txt /usr/include/ladspa.h
>
>
> After that start snd and do the following:
>
> (set! %load-path (cons "/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/" %load-path))
> (define (gtk-events-pending) 0)
> (define srfi-loaded)
> (load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
>

Oops, and by "start snd" I mean the following command:
/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/snd




From dto at gnu.org  Sun Oct 22 15:35:23 2006
From: dto at gnu.org (David O'Toole)
Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 18:35:23 -0400
Subject: [CM] Re: Issues in running Snd-RT
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230009370.9738@ttleush> (Kjetil
	S. Matheussen's message of "Mon\, 23 Oct 2006 00\:12\:32 +0200 \(CEST\)")
References: <20061019190003.1016.1094.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610192111221.6596@ttleush> <m3ejt1cupi.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610221813440.9667@ttleush> <m3fydg80w9.fsf@gnu.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0610230009370.9738@ttleush>
Message-ID: <m31wp07zdg.fsf@gnu.org>

Ok, I did a "yum install ladspa-devel" and the compilation of
rt-compiler.scm worked fine. Oops :-) I am using PlanetCCRMA-FC5,
which doesn't have the "install everything" packages available yet, so
I forgot to install some stuff I guess.

I ran the "sinewave" example from your website, and heard the sound on
my monitors, so the RT-extension appears to be working.

Thanks so much for your help Kjetil and Bill!

Tomorrow I will play with the RT language and try writing some
routines to turn CL-FRAME dataflow graphs into Snd code.

I'm going to call the specialized Snd subclasses "SND-FRAME".

By the way, how do I pronounce "snd"? 



"Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:

> You are missing ladspa.h:
> wget http://www.ladspa.org/ladspa_sdk/ladspa.h.txt
> cp ladspa.h.txt /usr/include/ladspa.h
>
>
> After that start snd and do the following:
>
> (set! %load-path (cons "/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/" %load-path))
> (define (gtk-events-pending) 0)
> (define srfi-loaded)
> (load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I introduced that last syntax error when I commented out the
>> body of the one function that referred to gtk.
>>
>> Fixing that, I was able to do the following:
>>
>>>> (load-from-path "oo.scm")
>>> #<unspecified>
>>>> (load-from-path "eval-c.scm")
>>> #<unspecified>
>>
>> And those worked fine.
>>
>> But then I try to load rt-compiler.scm:
>>
>>>> (load-from-path "rt-compiler.scm")
>>> compilation-failed: ()
>>> In unknown file:
>>>    ?:  0* [primitive-load-path "rt-compiler.scm"]
>>> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/rt-compiler.scm:
>>> 5539:  1* (eval-c (<-> "-I" snd-header-files-path ...) "#include <config.h>" ...)
>>> 5539:  2  (if (not #) (eval-c-cache-it # # #))
>>> In unknown file:
>>>    ?:  3  [eval-c-cache-it "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " # ...
>>>    ?:  4*  [eval-c-eval # "-I/home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8 " ...]
>>>    ?:  5   (let* () (let* (# #) (let # #)))
>>>    ?:  6   (let* (# #) (let # #))
>>>    ?:  7   (let ((compile-options #)) (let* () (let* # # # ...)))
>>>    ?:  8   (let* () (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...))
>>> In /home/dto/src/snd-ls-0.9.7.5/snd-8/eval-c.scm:
>>> 1715:  9   (let* (# # # # ...) (if # #) (for-each # #) ...)
>>> 1741: 10*  (if (not (= 0 #)) (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #)))
>>> 1747: 11   (begin (if eval-c-lazy-cleanup #) (throw #))
>>> 1750: 12   [gsubr-apply #<primitive-procedure throw> compilation-failed]
>>
>>
>> The following is on standard output after this happens:
>>
>>> [root at localhost snd-8]# sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> sh: line 1: -s: command not found
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_name_eval_c_helper??:
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:267: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_short_name_eval_c_helper??:
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:276: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c: In function ??jack_port_type_eval_c_helper??:
>>> /tmp/fileYMX5Dm.c:294: warning: initialization discards qualifiers from pointer target type
>>> Alsa library loaded.
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:38:20: error: ladspa.h: No such file or directory
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:47: error: expected specifier-qualifier-list before ??LADSPA_Descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??ladspa_minus_set2??:
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:99: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_in??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:101: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??make_minus_ladspa2??:
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:119: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:124: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:128: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioin_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:129: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:134: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:139: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:143: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioout_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:144: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:153: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_in??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlin_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:157: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:162: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_out??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:167: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_controls_out??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlout_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:171: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:176: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:178: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:181: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_ladspa??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??mark_rt_ladspa??:
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:199: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_output??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:200: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:201: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:202: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??scm_ladspa??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??free_rt_ladspa??:
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:210: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:212: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:214: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??descriptor??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:216: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??handle??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:218: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:219: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controls_out??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:224: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:228: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:233: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??ins??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:238: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??num_audio_outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:242: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:247: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??outs??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:248: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioin_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:249: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??audioout_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:250: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlin_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:251: error: ??struct mus_rt_ladspa?? has no member named ??controlout_port_nums??
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c: In function ??mark_rt_ladspa??:
>>> /tmp/fileTQ4LlL.c:204: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kjetil S. Matheussen" <k.s.matheussen at notam02.no> writes:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006, David O'Toole wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Kjetil,
>>>>
>>>> We seem to have tracked down my errors to snd_conffile.scm not being
>>>> loaded.
>>>
>>> Ouch, the realtime stuff is supposed to work without
>>> snd_conffile.scm. Why is snd_conffile.scm needed? san_dysth works just
>>> fine without snd_conffile.scm...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I actually do have the file in my CVS download directory, so I
>>>> loaded that first, and got some errors about undefined GTK symbols. It
>>>> appears to depend on GTK.
>>>>
>>>> I'm reluctant to just use snd-ls, for several reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I want to configure Snd with -march=athlon-xp (for as much as 20%
>>>> speedup, i'm told) and --with-motif. Besides preferring the Motif
>>>> version visually, I am also experiencing a bug that prevents me from
>>>> running any GTK application under Distributed Multihead X (DMX) which
>>>> is what I use for my multihead desktop. So at this time the
>>>> GTK-version is not an option for me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Okay, but you could use the SND source provided by snd-ls to do
>>> realtime work. You do that by running ./unpack.sh, and after that just
>>> configure and compile it the way you want. I guess this could
>>> be less frustrating for you, since snd from time to time is
>>> incompatible with rt-compiler and rt-engine because of api changes.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I would like to help get rt-compiler working with the Snd from
>>>> CVS. Perhaps you can point me in the right direction, so that I can
>>>> help write a different file to define all the symbols that rt-compiler
>>>> needs? I will take a look at it tonight but some pointers would
>>>> definitely help.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure what I can point you to. Its supposed to work, really.
>>> But I think your %load-path is not set...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am developing a graphical Common Lisp frontend for the Snd-RT stuff,
>>>> including realtime control. The home page for the project is
>>>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/ClFrame.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it looks cool. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> David O'Toole
>> dto at gnu.org
>> http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/
>>

-- 
David O'Toole 
dto at gnu.org
http://dto.freeshell.org/notebook/



From cycle.code.media at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 01:17:59 2006
From: cycle.code.media at gmail.com (James Baker)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 19:17:59 +1100
Subject: [CM] changing list delivery
Message-ID: <428d2dc0610290117t7f6d15f7w30eb1fbb7bdee787@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks,

this is probably really obvious but her goes...

When I signed up to this list i chose 'batch digest' mode, but I would
like to change to single mails.

I had a look at http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
and could not see anything.

Cheers,

James



From holeczek at us.edu.pl  Mon Oct 30 02:06:55 2006
From: holeczek at us.edu.pl (Jacek M. Holeczek)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 11:06:55 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [CM] ITD/ILD filter in Snd-8(.6)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0610301058540.19274@uranos.cto.us.edu.pl>

Hi,
in the article:
	http://www.aip.org/pt/nov99/locsound.html
in the Figure.2, the author shows the "calculated" interaural level
differences (ILD).
For my purposes, I would like to play with ITD/ILD a little bit in Snd.
Does anyone know where to find any parameterization for such curves?
I would like to "implement" an ITD/ILD filter in Snd (for example, left
channel is unchanged, right channel = left channel after ITD/ILD filter).
Thanks in advance,
Best regards,
Jacek.



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Mon Oct 30 06:39:12 2006
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil S. Matheussen)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 15:39:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [CM] [ANN] Vmwaredspjack 1.3, Snd-ls 0.9.7.6 and Jack_capture V0.3.8
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0610301527160.6583@ttleush>

Vmwaredspjack
=============
This is the vmwaredsp program, made by Petr Vandrovec, which makes vmware 
work with esd or arts. This version adds jack support as well.
(Unfortunately, jacklaunch (which is a similar program) doesn't work with 
vmware, but I think Gunter is working on it... :-) .)

The program isn't always working that well, but if used with care 
(don't trust the output too much) and proper tuning, you can use 
professional windows audio software in vmware using jack for audio 
communication.

Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/



Snd-ls v0.9.7.6
===============
Snd-ls is a distribution of Bill Schottstaedt's sound editor SND.
Its target is people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want
to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve
as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up.

Changes 0.9.7.1 -> 0.9.7.6:
---------------------------
-Proper debug output in case startup fails.
-Fixed bug in jack audio.
-Temporary remove the fft menu because its not working with the 26.9.2006
  version of Snd. Bug found by Dragan Noveski.
-Check for the existence of the sndfile.h header file before compiling.
  If it doesn't exist, snd-ls will refuse to run. Problem reported by
  Krzusztof Gawlas.
-Make sure snd starts up even if no file was loaded during startup. Bug
  found by Dragan Noveski.
-Really apply the workaround for the menu problem.

Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/snd/




Jack_capture V0.3.8
===================
jack_capture is a small program to capture whatever
sound is going out to your speakers into a file.

This is the program I always wanted to have for jack, but no
one made. So here it is.

Changes 0.3.7 -> 0.3.8:
-----------------------
*Added the --recording-time option to stop recording after a certain
  number of seconds.
*Quitting with CTRL-C/SIGINT writes remaining buffer to disk before
  ending program.

Download from http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/




From finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de  Tue Oct 31 15:37:57 2006
From: finnendahl at folkwang-hochschule.de (Orm Finnendahl)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:37:57 +0100
Subject: [CM] plotter questions
Message-ID: <20061031233757.GC4481@grisey>

Hi,

 trying out plotter (from cm-gtk in linux), the following questions
came up:

1. Is it possible to set different colors to different box objects
   within the same layer to reflect slot values?
   (I think it is not possible right now; I'm just asking whether it
   is complicated to implement and how to do it).

2. Is it possible to send update commands to the gtk window from the
   language in order to make the graphics reflect changes in the
   subobjects of plotter's sequence?

Thanx for any help,
Orm