From mis at artengine.ca  Fri Oct  1 15:14:38 2004
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:14:38 -0400
Subject: [CM] CM->CMN note attributes etc...
Message-ID: <m2oejmm6gh.fsf@ns.artengine.ca>

Hello,

I was wandering in there is way to specify various notes (and other
objects) attributes (such as :note-head etc...) in CM code, so that it
will be reflected when export my processes to cmn.  I assume that this
is not something that one is expected to do by hand in the .cmn
file...  Be gentle on me, I'm no lisp guru.

Thnx.

./MiS



From metaperl at urth.org  Sat Oct  2 01:33:02 2004
From: metaperl at urth.org (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:33:02 -0400
Subject: [CM] determining existence of function
Message-ID: <415E67BE.1070903@urth.org>

I defined the function row->matrix via C-x C-e and then went to the Listener and
attempted to verify that I did by typing row->matrix into the Listener window.
With most Schemes I have used, I get something like:
#<function row->matrix>

But with guile-scheme I got this:

CM[1]>
CM[2]>
CM[3]> row->matrix

*** - EVAL: variable ROW->MATRIX has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.

Break 1 CM[4]> (pprint (row->matrix albans-row))

((0 3 7 11 2 5 9 1 4 6 8 10) (9 0 4 8 11 2 6 10 1 3 5 7)
   (5 8 0 4 7 10 2 6 9 11 1 3) (1 4 8 0 3 6 10 2 5 7 9 11)
   (10 1 5 9 0 3 7 11 2 4 6 8) (7 10 2 6 9 0 4 8 11 1 3 5)
   (3 6 10 2 5 8 0 4 7 9 11 1) (11 2 6 10 1 4 8 0 3 5 7 9)
   (8 11 3 7 10 1 5 9 0 2 4 6) (6 9 1 5 8 11 3 7 10 0 2 4)
   (4 7 11 3 6 9 1 5 8 10 0 2) (2 5 9 1 4 7 11 3 6 8 10 0))

Break 1 CM[4]>

====
the fact that I can run the function implies that the C-x C-e on the function
definition did in fact define it. However, I do not understand why I could test
for the existence of the function by typing it into the REPL.



From metaperl at urth.org  Sat Oct  2 01:56:52 2004
From: metaperl at urth.org (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:56:52 -0400
Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response
Message-ID: <415E6D54.4050704@urth.org>

After I send an expression to the Listener via C-x C-e, it seems that I have to
move my mouse or do something before a response will show up in the Listener -
it just seems to stay frozen until then.

Also, double-clicking on an expression and choosing Eval Selection seems to lock
up the Listener completely. I have to type C-c and then abort to return things
back to normal.

There was no cm.bat with my distribution of Commonmusic. Here is what I do to
get cm going:

(defvar cm-directory (expand-file-name "~/mydocs/Scheme/cm-2.4.1/"))

(defvar cm-startfile "cm.sh")

(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "/etc/xemacs"))
         (bin (concat cm-directory "/bin/"
                      cm-startfile))
         (load-path (cons els load-path)))
    (load "listener")
    (load "cm")
    (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Oct  2 03:36:24 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:36:24 -0700
Subject: [CM] New CLM instruments
Message-ID: <415E84A8.80700@ccrma>

I've added 4 new instruments written by Bret Battey to the
clm-3 tarball: autoc, scentroid, rmsenv, and sndwarp.
Thanks Bret!!



From terry at hcoop.net  Sat Oct  2 00:20:48 2004
From: terry at hcoop.net (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:20:48 -0400
Subject: [CM] determining existence of function
Message-ID: <415E56D0.6090506@hcoop.net>

I defined the function row->matrix via C-x C-e and then went to the Listener and 
attempted to verify that I did by typing row->matrix into the Listener window. 
With most Schemes I have used, I get something like:
#<function row->matrix>

But with guile-scheme I got this:

CM[1]>
CM[2]>
CM[3]> row->matrix

*** - EVAL: variable ROW->MATRIX has no value
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
The following restarts are available:
STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.

Break 1 CM[4]> (pprint (row->matrix albans-row))

((0 3 7 11 2 5 9 1 4 6 8 10) (9 0 4 8 11 2 6 10 1 3 5 7)
  (5 8 0 4 7 10 2 6 9 11 1 3) (1 4 8 0 3 6 10 2 5 7 9 11)
  (10 1 5 9 0 3 7 11 2 4 6 8) (7 10 2 6 9 0 4 8 11 1 3 5)
  (3 6 10 2 5 8 0 4 7 9 11 1) (11 2 6 10 1 4 8 0 3 5 7 9)
  (8 11 3 7 10 1 5 9 0 2 4 6) (6 9 1 5 8 11 3 7 10 0 2 4)
  (4 7 11 3 6 9 1 5 8 10 0 2) (2 5 9 1 4 7 11 3 6 8 10 0))

Break 1 CM[4]>

====
the fact that I can run the function implies that the C-x C-e on the function 
definition did in fact define it. However, I do not understand why I could test 
for the existence of the function by typing it into the REPL.
-- 
Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From terry at hcoop.net  Sat Oct  2 00:27:46 2004
From: terry at hcoop.net (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 03:27:46 -0400
Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response
Message-ID: <415E5872.4070705@hcoop.net>

After I send an expression to the Listener via C-x C-e, it seems that I have to 
move my mouse or do something before a response will show up in the Listener - 
it just seems to stay frozen until then.

Also, double-clicking on an expression and choosing Eval Selection seems to lock 
up the Listener completely. I have to type C-c and then abort to return things 
back to normal.

There was no cm.bat with my distribution of Commonmusic. Here is what I do to 
get cm going:

(defvar cm-directory (expand-file-name "~/mydocs/Scheme/cm-2.4.1/"))

(defvar cm-startfile "cm.sh")

(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "/etc/xemacs"))
        (bin (concat cm-directory "/bin/"
                     cm-startfile))
        (load-path (cons els load-path)))
   (load "listener")
   (load "cm")
   (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))

-- 
Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From metaperl at urth.org  Sat Oct  2 05:51:14 2004
From: metaperl at urth.org (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:51:14 -0400
Subject: [CM] determining existence of function
In-Reply-To: <415E67BE.1070903@urth.org>
References: <415E67BE.1070903@urth.org>
Message-ID: <415EA442.3040404@urth.org>

Terrence Brannon wrote:

> I defined the function row->matrix via C-x C-e and then went to the Listener and
> attempted to verify that I did by typing row->matrix into the Listener window.
> With most Schemes I have used, I get something like:
> #<function row->matrix>
> 
> But with guile-scheme I got this:
> 
oops! cm.sh had clisp before guile and my version of Cygwin had clisp installed.

works as expected when guile is loaded.



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct  2 07:14:03 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:14:03 -0500
Subject: [CM] determining existence of function
Message-ID: <7fea0a25.88ff9694.81b3100@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

Hmm, it looks to me that you are using CLISP (Common Lisp) not Guile (Scheme).
CM does provide some "syntactic sugar" that lets you work with Scheme style
expressions so you can keep code portable accross CM ports but it does not turn
Common LIsp (CLISP, SBCL, CMUCL, OPenMCL, etc) int Scheme!  
In particular, scheme's function-in-a-variable is scheme, not CL.

In CL, to get a function from its name do #'row->matrix

I hope this helps.


---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:33:02 -0400
>From: Terrence Brannon <metaperl at urth.org>  
>Subject: [CM] determining existence of function  
>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>
>I defined the function row->matrix via C-x C-e and then went to the Listener and
>attempted to verify that I did by typing row->matrix into the Listener window.
>With most Schemes I have used, I get something like:
>#<function row->matrix>
>
>But with guile-scheme I got this:
>
>CM[1]>
>CM[2]>
>CM[3]> row->matrix
>
>*** - EVAL: variable ROW->MATRIX has no value
>The following restarts are available:
>STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
>USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.
>
>*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
>The following restarts are available:
>STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
>USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of ROW->MATRIX.
>
>Break 1 CM[4]> (pprint (row->matrix albans-row))
>
>((0 3 7 11 2 5 9 1 4 6 8 10) (9 0 4 8 11 2 6 10 1 3 5 7)
>   (5 8 0 4 7 10 2 6 9 11 1 3) (1 4 8 0 3 6 10 2 5 7 9 11)
>   (10 1 5 9 0 3 7 11 2 4 6 8) (7 10 2 6 9 0 4 8 11 1 3 5)
>   (3 6 10 2 5 8 0 4 7 9 11 1) (11 2 6 10 1 4 8 0 3 5 7 9)
>   (8 11 3 7 10 1 5 9 0 2 4 6) (6 9 1 5 8 11 3 7 10 0 2 4)
>   (4 7 11 3 6 9 1 5 8 10 0 2) (2 5 9 1 4 7 11 3 6 8 10 0))
>
>Break 1 CM[4]>
>
>====
>the fact that I can run the function implies that the C-x C-e on the function
>definition did in fact define it. However, I do not understand why I could test
>for the existence of the function by typing it into the REPL.
>
>_______________________________________________
>Cmdist mailing list
>Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct  2 07:16:49 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:16:49 -0500
Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response
Message-ID: <89d22f96.88ffd781.81b3100@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

I cant imagine what is causing this! what OS are you on and what versino of
Xemacs are you using? Ive testend listener.el in emacs and xemacs on many
machines and os'es and ive never encountered what you describe so any addition
info would be helpful.

best,
Rick




---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:56:52 -0400
>From: Terrence Brannon <metaperl at urth.org>  
>Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response  
>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>
>After I send an expression to the Listener via C-x C-e, it seems that I have to
>move my mouse or do something before a response will show up in the Listener -
>it just seems to stay frozen until then.
>
>Also, double-clicking on an expression and choosing Eval Selection seems to lock
>up the Listener completely. I have to type C-c and then abort to return things
>back to normal.
>
>There was no cm.bat with my distribution of Commonmusic. Here is what I do to
>get cm going:
>
>(defvar cm-directory (expand-file-name "~/mydocs/Scheme/cm-2.4.1/"))
>
>(defvar cm-startfile "cm.sh")
>
>(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "/etc/xemacs"))
>         (bin (concat cm-directory "/bin/"
>                      cm-startfile))
>         (load-path (cons els load-path)))
>    (load "listener")
>    (load "cm")
>    (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))
>
>_______________________________________________
>Cmdist mailing list
>Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct  2 07:24:08 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 09:24:08 -0500
Subject: [CM] CM->CMN note attributes etc...
Message-ID: <a3fed76a.8900830a.8306b00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

cm 2.5.0 (CVShead) implements a 'cmn' event class that makes it easy to compute
cmn data and attach things to cmn objects. it also does midi output.
documetation is in /cm/doc/dict/cmn-cls.html
the documentation contains several examples of its use.

see /cm/doc/install.html   for how to get cm via cvs.





---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:14:38 -0400
>From: Michal Seta <mis at artengine.ca>  
>Subject: [CM] CM->CMN note attributes etc...  
>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>
>
>Hello,
>
>I was wandering in there is way to specify various notes (and other
>objects) attributes (such as :note-head etc...) in CM code, so that it
>will be reflected when export my processes to cmn.  I assume that this
>is not something that one is expected to do by hand in the .cmn
>file...  Be gentle on me, I'm no lisp guru.
>
>Thnx.
>
>./MiS
>
>_______________________________________________
>Cmdist mailing list
>Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From rm at fabula.de  Sat Oct  2 08:14:33 2004
From: rm at fabula.de (rm at fabula.de)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 17:14:33 +0200
Subject: [CM] determining existence of function
In-Reply-To: <415E56D0.6090506@hcoop.net>
References: <415E56D0.6090506@hcoop.net>
Message-ID: <20041002151433.GA8009@www>

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 03:20:48AM -0400, Terrence Brannon wrote:
> I defined the function row->matrix via C-x C-e and then went to the 
> Listener and attempted to verify that I did by typing row->matrix into the 
> Listener window. With most Schemes I have used, I get something like:
> #<function row->matrix>
> 
> But with guile-scheme I got this:
> 
> CM[1]>
> CM[2]>
> CM[3]> row->matrix
> 
> *** - EVAL: variable ROW->MATRIX has no value

??? That doesn't look like Guile at all! That looks like some
sort of LISP.

> The following restarts are available:
> STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
> USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of 
> ROW->MATRIX.
> 
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> The following restarts are available:
> STORE-VALUE    :R1      You may input a new value for ROW->MATRIX.
> USE-VALUE      :R2      You may input a value to be used instead of 
> ROW->MATRIX.

Bo, that's a condition system unheard of in Guile - CLISP maybe?

> 
> Break 1 CM[4]> (pprint (row->matrix albans-row))
> 
> ((0 3 7 11 2 5 9 1 4 6 8 10) (9 0 4 8 11 2 6 10 1 3 5 7)
>  (5 8 0 4 7 10 2 6 9 11 1 3) (1 4 8 0 3 6 10 2 5 7 9 11)
>  (10 1 5 9 0 3 7 11 2 4 6 8) (7 10 2 6 9 0 4 8 11 1 3 5)
>  (3 6 10 2 5 8 0 4 7 9 11 1) (11 2 6 10 1 4 8 0 3 5 7 9)
>  (8 11 3 7 10 1 5 9 0 2 4 6) (6 9 1 5 8 11 3 7 10 0 2 4)
>  (4 7 11 3 6 9 1 5 8 10 0 2) (2 5 9 1 4 7 11 3 6 8 10 0))
> 
> Break 1 CM[4]>
> 
> ====
> the fact that I can run the function implies that the C-x C-e on the 
> function definition did in fact define it. However, I do not understand why 
> I could test for the existence of the function by typing it into the REPL.

Iff this is in fact a LISP you are working with you can try:

 CM[1]> #'row->matrix 

 
which is just a convenient reader macro for

 CM[2]> (symbol-function 'row->matrix)

HTH Ralf Mattes



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sat Oct  2 08:26:24 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:26:24 -0500
Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response
Message-ID: <82aa7c3e.89063655.81b3100@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

You might try switching to the Win xemacs which seems to work better, at least
in my experience. I think cm.sh even supports launching a Win Xemacs under
cygwin but I cant rememeber offhand how to do this, ill have to look at the code
when i have a bit of time.




---- Original message ----
>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 10:48:38 -0400
>From: Terrence Brannon <terry at hcoop.net>  
>Subject: Re: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response  
>To: taube at uiuc.edu
>Cc: Terrence Brannon <metaperl at urth.org>, cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>
>taube at uiuc.edu wrote:
>
>> I cant imagine what is causing this! what OS are you on and what versino of
>> Xemacs are you using? 
>
>I am using Cygwin 1.5.11. I am using cm-2.4.1. I am using Xemacs 21.4 downloaded 
>from xemacs.org. When using the Xemacs netinstall, I opted for the Cygwin 
>installation over Native installation.
>
>
>
>> machines and os'es and ive never encountered what you describe so any addition
>> info would be helpful.
>
>I don't think this is a Commonmusic problem in particular. When I open a shell 
>in Xemacs, I often have to hit return to get Xemacs to give me output from the 
>shell command... I was asking here, but I should have indicated that this 
>problem is not peculiar to the Commonmusic listener, but just to my Xemacs and 
>subprocess interaction.
>
>> 
>> best,
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---- Original message ----
>> 
>>>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:56:52 -0400
>>>From: Terrence Brannon <metaperl at urth.org>  
>>>Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response  
>>>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>>>
>>>After I send an expression to the Listener via C-x C-e, it seems that I have to
>>>move my mouse or do something before a response will show up in the Listener -
>>>it just seems to stay frozen until then.
>>>
>>>Also, double-clicking on an expression and choosing Eval Selection seems to lock
>>>up the Listener completely. I have to type C-c and then abort to return things
>>>back to normal.
>>>
>>>There was no cm.bat with my distribution of Commonmusic. Here is what I do to
>>>get cm going:
>>>
>>>(defvar cm-directory (expand-file-name "~/mydocs/Scheme/cm-2.4.1/"))
>>>
>>>(defvar cm-startfile "cm.sh")
>>>
>>>(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "/etc/xemacs"))
>>>        (bin (concat cm-directory "/bin/"
>>>                     cm-startfile))
>>>        (load-path (cons els load-path)))
>>>   (load "listener")
>>>   (load "cm")
>>>   (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Cmdist mailing list
>>>Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>>http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>
>
>-- 
>Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sun Oct  3 07:56:55 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 09:56:55 -0500
Subject: [CM] Plotter in GTK2 available
Message-ID: <36f15cb7.89875882.81e3000@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

Well maybe the wait wont be so long -- a few hours ago i was able to open my
first Gtk window in CMU19e AND SBCL-0.14 on a debian box. I also got a Gtk
"destroy" callback to work and not crash the lisp. so im hopefull!



---- Original message ----
>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 10:57:39 -0400
>From: Dave Phillips <dlphilp at bright.net>  
>Subject: Re: [CM] Plotter in GTK2 available  
>To: Rick Taube <taube at uiuc.edu>
>
>Greetings:
>
>  OSX only ?? Ach, so close, yet so far away.... :(
>
>  And it's even done with GTK2... <sigh>... But at least there's a 
>shimmering possibility on the far horizon... "Could it be ?! Is that the 
>Plotter for Linux ??!!"... ;-)
>
>  We continue to await the day... and damn, I wish I had some GTK coding 
>skills...
>
>Best regards,
>
>dp
>
>
>
>
>Rick Taube wrote:
>
>> There was an old program named Plotter
>> With source code so hacked it did totter.
>>    But in GTK2
>>    Its now spanking brand new,
>> And Zoom even works like it oughter.
>> ---
>> Screenshots, documentation, examples, install instructions, and bug 
>> list are available at:
>> http://pinhead.music.uiuc.edu/~hkt/plotter/doc/dict/plotter-topic.html
>>
>> Tarball download at:
>> http://pinhead.music.uiuc.edu/~hkt/plotter.tar.gz
>>
>> Perversly enough (and despite the fact that I'm using X/GTK2) this 
>> first version is for OSX/OpenMCL only because it turned out that 
>> OpenMCL is the only CLtL that makes it easly to interface to such a 
>> huge library. My goal is to have Plotter (and whatever other GUI stuff 
>> is developed for CM) working in three environments: Darwin/OpenMCL, 
>> Linux/SBCL Linux/Guile. The next step is to try to get it working in 
>> SBCL (partially done), then Guile, and finally to integrate the code 
>> into cm's 2.5.0 cvs tree. If anyone wants to help out with this gui 
>> coding please let me know.
>
>
>



From terry at hcoop.net  Sat Oct  2 07:48:38 2004
From: terry at hcoop.net (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 10:48:38 -0400
Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response
In-Reply-To: <89d22f96.88ffd781.81b3100@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>
References: <89d22f96.88ffd781.81b3100@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <415EBFC6.9030009@hcoop.net>

taube at uiuc.edu wrote:

> I cant imagine what is causing this! what OS are you on and what versino of
> Xemacs are you using? 

I am using Cygwin 1.5.11. I am using cm-2.4.1. I am using Xemacs 21.4 downloaded 
from xemacs.org. When using the Xemacs netinstall, I opted for the Cygwin 
installation over Native installation.



> machines and os'es and ive never encountered what you describe so any addition
> info would be helpful.

I don't think this is a Commonmusic problem in particular. When I open a shell 
in Xemacs, I often have to hit return to get Xemacs to give me output from the 
shell command... I was asking here, but I should have indicated that this 
problem is not peculiar to the Commonmusic listener, but just to my Xemacs and 
subprocess interaction.

> 
> best,
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Original message ----
> 
>>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:56:52 -0400
>>From: Terrence Brannon <metaperl at urth.org>  
>>Subject: [CM] Xemacs and Listener response  
>>To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
>>
>>After I send an expression to the Listener via C-x C-e, it seems that I have to
>>move my mouse or do something before a response will show up in the Listener -
>>it just seems to stay frozen until then.
>>
>>Also, double-clicking on an expression and choosing Eval Selection seems to lock
>>up the Listener completely. I have to type C-c and then abort to return things
>>back to normal.
>>
>>There was no cm.bat with my distribution of Commonmusic. Here is what I do to
>>get cm going:
>>
>>(defvar cm-directory (expand-file-name "~/mydocs/Scheme/cm-2.4.1/"))
>>
>>(defvar cm-startfile "cm.sh")
>>
>>(let* ((els (concat cm-directory "/etc/xemacs"))
>>        (bin (concat cm-directory "/bin/"
>>                     cm-startfile))
>>        (load-path (cons els load-path)))
>>   (load "listener")
>>   (load "cm")
>>   (setq inferior-lisp-program bin))
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Cmdist mailing list
>>Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>>http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist


-- 
Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct  5 04:04:54 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 04:04:54 -0700
Subject: [CM] snd 7.7
Message-ID: <41627FD6.3060208@ccrma>

Snd 7.7

new version of sndins and other bugfixes thanks to Mike Scholz

in clm: autoc.ins, scentroid.ins, rmsenv.ins, and sndwarp.ins thanks to Bret Battey

clm: configuration bugfixes thanks to Anders Vinjar


added: smart-line-cursor in draw.scm
	  (a line cursor that ducks under the top right thumbnail graph)

        vct|channel|spectral-polynomial (dsp.scm)

        create-ssb-dialog in snd-motif.scm

        vct-reverse! (mostly to experiment with fancy granulate edit funcs)

        log-freq-start (with more transform dialog widgetry and axis improvements)

        show-sonogram-cursor (tracking cursor in sonogram)

        do? (examp.scm -- 'do' that can be interrupted and continued)

        grid-density (controls axis tick spacing)

        edit-list->function (1st step toward a "sound spreadsheet")


removed: mus-inspect, buffer generator.
            (mus-inspect duplicates the functionality of mus-describe, and given
	   a decent debbuger, the extra info it provides is unneeded).

          vct-convolve! (see snd7.scm -- was same as convolution function)

          vct->samples and samples->vct (see snd7.scm)
	   (These were redundant given vct->channel->vct and inconsistent with others)

          list and vector return value choices from map-chan and map-channel (see snd7.scm).
            float vector as possible arg to formant-bank, fft, or scale-* (use vct) (see snd7.scm).
            list of vectors as possible arg to graph (use list of vcts)
            mus-audio-mixer-read|write vector arg is now a vct
            (I'm trying to reduce the use of vectors as much as possible)

          oscil-bank, mus-bank (see snd7.scm)

          support for gtkglext 0.1 through 0.4


changed: transform-samples->vct to transform->vct, region-samples->vct to region->vct,
  	 transform-samples-size to transform-frames. (Old forms are in snd7.scm).

checked: gtk 2.5.2|3, Mesa 6.1, sbcl 0.8.14|5

with much help from: Michael Klingbeil, Anthony Kozar, Bret Battey, Anders Vinjar,
      Mike Scholz, Paul Winkler, Marv Smoak


(Snd has lumbered past the 400,000 line mark -- 250000 C, 110000 Scheme,
30000 Ruby, and a few thousand of m4, lisp, emacs-lisp etc)



From rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct  5 11:57:42 2004
From: rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Rodrigo Segnini)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0410051139450.9337-100000@ccrma-gate.stanford.edu>

Hi list
I was able to compile--with no special configuration flags--snd on 
cygwin_nt-5.1 1.5.11(0.116/4/2) i 686 and it works nicely, except when 
trying to play a sound file:

can't play : reason not known

or trying to record something:

no audio input devices available

Another issue is that you can write in the listener, but the 'Enter' key 
is the only key in the keyboard that does not produce its intended effect: 
a line-feed and/or evaluation.

Any hints or alternatives to run snd on winxp?

Thanks,

Rodrigo




From rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct  5 12:22:19 2004
From: rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Rodrigo Segnini)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:22:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [CM] clm+{clisp/acl-lite} blues
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0410051204140.9337-100000@ccrma-gate.stanford.edu>

Hi list.

I succesfully compiled cm on cygwin + clisp.

I can't do the same with clm because of the function compile-and-load 
which is undefined in clisp--at least in mine.

I tried the acl-lite way, but since memory is limited, compilation stops.

Any hints, or alternatives to run clm on winxp?

Thanks,

Rodrigo




From epsobolik at rcn.com  Tue Oct  5 15:47:05 2004
From: epsobolik at rcn.com (Phil Sobolik)
Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 18:47:05 -0400
Subject: [CM] Notes form the Meta Level
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20041005184523.02c429c8@pop.rcn.com>

I just received my copy of Notes From the Meta Level today.  So, it's out 
there!  I ordered it from the UK.  They sent it DHL and I had it a week 
after I ordered it.  A few dollars more than mail, but not much.

Phil Sobolik



From terry at hcoop.net  Wed Oct  6 00:58:57 2004
From: terry at hcoop.net (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:58:57 -0400
Subject: [CM] nm-finalfinal - grammatical error
Message-ID: <4163A5C1.5020500@hcoop.net>

Op. 2, No. 1: Transposing Hertz Frequency
In this next exercise ... expressed as a power of 2: ... 2-4=1/16. The the Lisp 
function expt can be used to calculate exponential progressions in either 
ascending or descending order, as shown in Interaction 7-2.

=====
the very last sentence starts with a repeat of the word "the", which is 
grammatically incorrect.

i obtained this file from: pinhead.music.uiuc.edu\~hkt
-- 
Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From terry at hcoop.net  Wed Oct  6 01:54:08 2004
From: terry at hcoop.net (Terrence Brannon)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 04:54:08 -0400
Subject: [CM] small contribution to Op.2, No. 5: Chance and Probability
Message-ID: <4163B2B0.3010009@hcoop.net>

When I saw this expression:

	(chance? .75)

I got very curious and decided to see how close the percentage of true values 
would be to 75% based on the number of trials I ran, so I wrote this 
Scheme-specific code to check it out:

(use-modules (srfi srfi-1))

(define (percent success trials)
   (* 100
      (/ success trials)))

(define *chance* 0.75)

(define (try-chance trials chance)
   (let* ((dummy-list   (make-list trials))
          (trial-result (loop for tmp in dummy-list collect (chance? chance))))
     (percent (count (lambda (x) x) trial-result)
              trials)))

(define (trial-stats)
   (let* ((powers-of-2 (iota 16 0 1)))
     (loop for power in powers-of-2 collect (try-chance (expt 2 power)
                                                             *chance*))))

(trial-stats)


==
some of the early experimental results are right on the theoretical, but some 
are way off. only after many trials do we consistently get the experimental and 
theoretical close, as we expected.

well, I had some fun with this :)

-- 
Terrence Brannon, terry at hcoop.net



From rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Wed Oct  6 10:33:41 2004
From: rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Rodrigo Segnini)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:33:41 -0700
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues...2
Message-ID: <004101c4abca$a0187f40$6400a8c0@ccswin>

Update:

After compiling --with-esd (which plays and records audio files normally
from the cygwinshell), snd's responses to my play or record requests
are:

[10:08:12] Sonorus device 0 (mus-audio-default) not available
  [audio.c[8572] mus_audio_open_output]
[10:08:12] can't play : Sonorus device 0 (mus-audio-default) not
available
  [audio.c[8572] mus_audio_open_output]

and

 [10:14:00] no audio input devices available

This is the same response when using sndplay from the shell.

I can see (in ps) that snd calls an esd process, which stays there even
after snd exits (although snd's window doesn't close after the process
is gone, unless I kill the esd process by hand). 

Getting close?

Rodrigo

-----Original Message-----
From: cmdist-admin at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
[mailto:cmdist-admin at ccrma.Stanford.EDU] On Behalf Of Rodrigo Segnini
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:58 AM
To: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
Importance: High

Hi list
I was able to compile--with no special configuration flags--snd on 
cygwin_nt-5.1 1.5.11(0.116/4/2) i 686 and it works nicely, except when 
trying to play a sound file:

can't play : reason not known

or trying to record something:

no audio input devices available

Another issue is that you can write in the listener, but the 'Enter' key

is the only key in the keyboard that does not produce its intended
effect: 
a line-feed and/or evaluation.

Any hints or alternatives to run snd on winxp?

Thanks,

Rodrigo


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From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Oct  7 04:21:14 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 04:21:14 -0700
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0410051139450.9337-100000@ccrma-gate.stanford.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0410051139450.9337-100000@ccrma-gate.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <416526AA.5070205@ccrma>

 > can't play : reason not known

Please send me the config.h or config.log files, or the print out
of snd --version.  I think the cygwin version is supposed to use
the Windows API.  I never implemented audio input in that version,
so the message:

 > no audio input devices available

is not surprising.

 > I can't do the same with clm because of the function compile-and-load
 > which is undefined in clisp--at least in mine.

Clisp is no longer supported.  I don't know what lisps are available
in cygwin.



From rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Oct  7 08:46:32 2004
From: rsegnini at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Rodrigo Segnini)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:46:32 -0700
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
In-Reply-To: <416526AA.5070205@ccrma>
Message-ID: <002101c4ac84$d4b6d930$6400a8c0@ccswin>

Thanks Bill for your reply. 

Attached are snd's config.h and the output of snd --version in a text
file.

I am interested in working with cm-cmn-clm under the same roof. I do so
in linux, but I will spread the gospel in places where currently mac-osx
and winxp are more popular among composers.

Cm supports clisp on the three platforms. Sometime ago clm did too (what
version was that?).
But I understand you have to make choices; I happily abide. I'm looking
for alternatives.

On windows it's either an unix emulator or a native app, thus Cygwin
(and whatever runs on it), or acl-lite/clisp.

Cmucl does not run (so far) in either. Acl-lite has memory limitations

Or maybe I'm looking in a wrong direction. I'm an old lisp'er. Recent
postings in cmdist give me the impression that at some point we would be
able to do all clm things on snd's listener. Am I right in this
assumption? 

That would be awesome! I could use some advice as to what's available
right now. In particular, whether grani and dlocsig can be used there.

Thanks,

Rodrigo




-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Schottstaedt [mailto:bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU] 
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:21 AM
To: Rodrigo Segnini
Cc: cmdist at ccrma.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
Importance: High

 > can't play : reason not known

Please send me the config.h or config.log files, or the print out
of snd --version.  I think the cygwin version is supposed to use
the Windows API.  I never implemented audio input in that version,
so the message:

 > no audio input devices available

is not surprising.

 > I can't do the same with clm because of the function compile-and-load
 > which is undefined in clisp--at least in mine.

Clisp is no longer supported.  I don't know what lisps are available
in cygwin.
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From rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu  Thu Oct  7 10:33:58 2004
From: rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu (rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:33:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [CM] Windows XP
Message-ID: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247>

We're trying to set up CLM on an XP machine here at school.
I'm using Lispworks too.
Here's my error on loading all.lisp.  Any suggestions?
Thanks,

Randy Latimer rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu

CL-USER 1 > (load "c:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\all.lisp")
; Loading text file c:\Program Files\clm-3\all.lisp
;   running cd C:\Program Files\clm-3\ && ./configure --quiet
--with-doubles --with-float-samples
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\io.c"
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\headers.c"
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\audio.c"
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\sound.c"
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\clm.c"
; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\cmus.c"

Error: Undefined function COMPILE-AND-LOAD called with arguments
("clm-package").



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Oct  8 04:39:40 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 04:39:40 -0700
Subject: [CM] re: Windows XP
Message-ID: <41667C7C.3020005@ccrma>

 > We're trying to set up CLM on an XP machine here at school.
 > I'm using Lispworks too.
 > Here's my error on loading all.lisp.  Any suggestions?

I don't think there's any Lispworks support code in CLM -- at
this point I can't even remember what Lispworks refers to!
Does it have a reasonable foreign function interface?



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Fri Oct  8 04:51:12 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 04:51:12 -0700
Subject: [CM] cygwin+snd blues
In-Reply-To: <002101c4ac84$d4b6d930$6400a8c0@ccswin>
References: <002101c4ac84$d4b6d930$6400a8c0@ccswin>
Message-ID: <41667F30.7090303@ccrma>

I removed Clisp support in version 3 of CLM -- to support it
required a huge amount of incredibly ugly special-case code.

I'll look at the Snd stuff later today -- I don't know why it
complains about a Sonorus device.

 > Recent
 > postings in cmdist give me the impression that at some point we would be
 > able to do all clm things on snd's listener. Am I right in this
 > assumption?

Yes -- see ws.scm and clm-ins.scm for example.  Snd's implementation
of CLM is slightly slower than the CL version (it uses my optimizer
rather than separate C files, gcc, and the lisp FFI), but I think
it's fast enough to be usable.  Both use clm.c as the basic generator
code.

 > That would be awesome! I could use some advice as to what's available
 > right now. In particular, whether grani and dlocsig can be used there.

I don't think grani.ins has been translated -- will check. Mike Scholz
provided a Ruby version of dlocsig -- dlocsig.rb.




From rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu  Fri Oct  8 10:29:37 2004
From: rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu (rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:29:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [CM] Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247>
References: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247>
Message-ID: <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>

Lispworks comes from http://www.lispworks.com/, not too bad a GUI
interface for Lisp on Windows.
We use CLisp on Linux.
What Lisp are you using for Windows?/Linux?
THanks

> We're trying to set up CLM on an XP machine here at school.
> I'm using Lispworks too.
> Here's my error on loading all.lisp.  Any suggestions?
> Thanks,
>
> Randy Latimer rdlatimer at tjhsst.edu
>
> CL-USER 1 > (load "c:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\all.lisp")
> ; Loading text file c:\Program Files\clm-3\all.lisp
> ;   running cd C:\Program Files\clm-3\ && ./configure --quiet
> --with-doubles --with-float-samples
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\io.c"
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\headers.c"
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\audio.c"
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\sound.c"
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\clm.c"
> ; Compiling "C:\\Program Files\\clm-3\\cmus.c"
>
> Error: Undefined function COMPILE-AND-LOAD called with arguments
> ("clm-package").
>
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> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct  8 13:24:11 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:24:11 -0500
Subject: [CM] Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>
References: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247> <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>
Message-ID: <0395DE2B-1968-11D9-8977-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>

The UFFI package may be the only hope for supporting all the cltl ffi's 
out there. i think someone is working on a uffi implmenetation for 
clisp, too.

http://uffi.b9.com/


> Lispworks comes from http://www.lispworks.com/, not too bad a GUI
> interface for Lisp on Windows.
> We use CLisp on Linux.
> What Lisp are you using for Windows?/Linux?
> THanks



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 11 03:30:18 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:30:18 -0700
Subject: [CM] uffi
In-Reply-To: <0395DE2B-1968-11D9-8977-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
References: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247> <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6> <0395DE2B-1968-11D9-8977-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <416A60BA.70907@ccrma>

 > The UFFI package may be the only hope for supporting all the cltl ffi's out there.

I think it does not yet support passing arrays directly to/from C/Lisp --
they appear to be copying data.  Perhaps that's not a big problem anymore.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 11 03:31:07 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:31:07 -0700
Subject: [CM] Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>
References: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247> <33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>
Message-ID: <416A60EB.9080305@ccrma>

 > What Lisp are you using for Windows?/Linux?

I occasionally run ACL 5.0 on Windows 95, but I've never actually used Windows
so I know nothing about it.  In Linux there are three choices, none
perfect: cmucl, sbcl, acl.  I use ACL, but that's only because I broke
down and paid for it awhile ago.



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 11 03:43:49 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 03:43:49 -0700
Subject: [CM] Two additions to snd tarball, and some old-timey tunes
In-Reply-To: <86vfdkkb8c.fsf@Lerche.Socrates>
References: <86vfdkkb8c.fsf@Lerche.Socrates>
Message-ID: <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma>

I've added Mike Scholz's sndins and gfm packages to the Snd tarball and
the CVS repository.  gfm is a Forth implementation of CLM, and sndins
provides C code for the fm-violin and others. Many thanks, Mike!


I've made a tarball of some old tunes from the 70's and 80's that use
these instruments as notelists loadable into Snd -- these are mostly
old Mus10/Sambox files translated to Snd/CLM.  Very old stuff, but I still
like it: tunes.tar.gz at the usual ftp site.  I've also included "Wait
For Me!", "The New Music Liberation Army", and "Leviathan" as sound files,
so it's a big package (50 MBytes).  Why am I thinking of Wordsworth "it
was very heaven to be alive"?


And on another front, I'm well along on the "sound spreadsheet idea" (was
it Peter Lutek that suggested this?), but I can't think of a user interface.
I tried adding buttons to the edit history window, but it looks cluttered
and kinda dumb.  I could add a dialog, but that too seems clunky.  The
basic notion is that you can create/apply "detached edit lists", i.e.
edit lists as full-fledged functions, so, for example, you can back up
and change something earlier in a list of edits, then re-apply the
trailing edits to return to the full-edited state with that change.
Or apply one channel's set of edits to another, etc. Any ideas?



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 11 15:38:38 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bil)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:38:38 +0100
Subject: [CM] Re:
Message-ID: <pmzzdnnvjbeuakzaqpj@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>

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From plutek at infinity.net  Mon Oct 11 18:05:31 2004
From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 21:05:31 -0400
Subject: [CM] Two additions to snd tarball, and some old-timey tunes
In-Reply-To: <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma>
References: <86vfdkkb8c.fsf@Lerche.Socrates>  <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma>
Message-ID: <1097543131.2554.7.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>

On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 06:43, Bill Schottstaedt wrote:
> I've added Mike Scholz's sndins and gfm packages to the Snd tarball and
> the CVS repository.  gfm is a Forth implementation of CLM, and sndins
> provides C code for the fm-violin and others. Many thanks, Mike!
> 
> 
> I've made a tarball of some old tunes from the 70's and 80's that use
> these instruments as notelists loadable into Snd -- these are mostly
> old Mus10/Sambox files translated to Snd/CLM.  Very old stuff, but I still
> like it: tunes.tar.gz at the usual ftp site.  I've also included "Wait
> For Me!", "The New Music Liberation Army", and "Leviathan" as sound files,
> so it's a big package (50 MBytes).  Why am I thinking of Wordsworth "it
> was very heaven to be alive"?
> 
> 
> And on another front, I'm well along on the "sound spreadsheet idea" (was
> it Peter Lutek that suggested this?), 

yes, it was   :)

> but I can't think of a user interface.
> I tried adding buttons to the edit history window, but it looks cluttered
> and kinda dumb.  I could add a dialog, but that too seems clunky.  The
> basic notion is that you can create/apply "detached edit lists", i.e.
> edit lists as full-fledged functions, so, for example, you can back up
> and change something earlier in a list of edits, then re-apply the
> trailing edits to return to the full-edited state with that change.
> Or apply one channel's set of edits to another, etc. Any ideas?

why not just a matrix of editable cells that opens with a C-x-whatever,
including one cell in each column which contains a fly-out of all
available targets for the column of edits (with default set to what it
was applied to originally)?

bill -- don't know if you saw my post about memory usage -- you seem to
have indicated that it is not normal for sounds to get loaded completely
into RAM, but this DOES seem to be what is happening for me. i.e., RAM
usage goes up by an amount corresponding to sample size when i open a
sound in snd. it does make things quite unworkable for editing long live
takes.

-p



From peter at peterlutek.com  Mon Oct 11 10:38:16 2004
From: peter at peterlutek.com (Peter Lutek)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:38:16 -0400
Subject: [CM] Two additions to snd tarball, and some old-timey tunes
In-Reply-To: <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma>
References: <86vfdkkb8c.fsf@Lerche.Socrates>  <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma>
Message-ID: <1097516295.2535.13.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>

> And on another front, I'm well along on the "sound spreadsheet idea" (was
> it Peter Lutek that suggested this?)

yes, it was   :)

> , but I can't think of a user interface.
> I tried adding buttons to the edit history window, but it looks cluttered
> and kinda dumb.  I could add a dialog, but that too seems clunky.  The
> basic notion is that you can create/apply "detached edit lists", i.e.
> edit lists as full-fledged functions, so, for example, you can back up
> and change something earlier in a list of edits, then re-apply the
> trailing edits to return to the full-edited state with that change.
> Or apply one channel's set of edits to another, etc. Any ideas?
> 

why not just a matrix of editable cells that opens with a C-x-whatever,
including one cell in each column which contains a fly-out of all
available targets for the column of edits (with default set to what it
was applied to originally)?

bill -- don't know if you saw my post about memory usage -- you seem to
have indicated that it is not normal for sounds to get loaded completely
into RAM, but this DOES seem to be what is happening for me. i.e., RAM
usage goes up by an amount corresponding to sample size when i open a
sound in snd. it does make things quite unworkable for editing long live
takes.

-p




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Tue Oct 12 03:15:43 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:15:43 -0700
Subject: [CM] Snd and RAM
In-Reply-To: <1097516295.2535.13.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>
References: <86vfdkkb8c.fsf@Lerche.Socrates>  <416A63E5.7090909@ccrma> <1097516295.2535.13.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>
Message-ID: <416BAECF.4010306@ccrma>

 > RAM usage goes up by an amount corresponding to sample size when i open a
 > sound in snd.

As someone else responded, this is how virtual memory works -- any
other program will behave in the same way, and it's not something
to worry about.  If Snd is slowed down, it's probably because it's
calculating the "peak env" data which can be speeded up (subsequently)
by using the functions in peak-env.scm.



From ricktaylor at speakeasy.net  Thu Oct 14 19:58:22 2004
From: ricktaylor at speakeasy.net (RTaylor)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:58:22 -0500
Subject: [CM] uffi
In-Reply-To: <416A60BA.70907@ccrma>
References: <51909.151.188.17.247.1097170438.squirrel@151.188.17.247>
	<33151.198.38.18.6.1097256577.squirrel@198.38.18.6>
	<0395DE2B-1968-11D9-8977-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
	<416A60BA.70907@ccrma>
Message-ID: <20041014215822.2410e02f@localhost.localdomain>

Bill Schottstaedt <bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU> wrote:

>  > The UFFI package may be the only hope for supporting all the cltl ffi's out there.
> 
> I think it does not yet support passing arrays directly to/from C/Lisp --
> they appear to be copying data.  Perhaps that's not a big problem anymore.

Would it be possible to re-implement the whole thing in ruby?



From plutek at infinity.net  Fri Oct 15 11:21:54 2004
From: plutek at infinity.net (Peter Lutek)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:21:54 -0400
Subject: [CM] snd: trouble loading scm files
Message-ID: <1097864514.2492.17.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>

greetings!

i seem to be unable to load scheme files.

if i do:
(set! %load-path (cons "/usr/lib/snd/scheme" %load-path)) 
i get:
#<unspecified>
then, if i do:
(load "peak-env.scm")
i get:
open-file: system-error: "No such file or directory": "peak-env.scm" (2)

peak-env.scm DOES exist in my /usr/lib/snd/scheme.
%load-path shows /usr/lib/snd/scheme added to the path list.

one other wierd thing -- peak-env.scm shows up in the Help|About Snd
list, but so does ANY filename i attempt to load, even if it is a
completely non-existant, fictitious one. it appears that this list
consists of simply any ATTEMPTS to load, but does not indicate what has
actually successfully loaded.

any clues about all this?

my snd is the current CCRMA FC1 package:
This is Snd version 7.5 of 19-May-04:
    Xen: 1.11, Guile: 1.6.4
    jack
    Sndlib 19.1 (27-Apr-04, int24 samples)
    CLM 2.48 (11-May-04)
    fftw-3.0.1
    Motif 2.2.3 X11R6
    OpenGL
    Xpm 3.4.11
    LADSPA 1.1
    with large file support
    with gettext: en_CA.UTF-8
    Compiled Jun  1 2004 18:49:07
    C: 3.3.2 20031022 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.2-1)
    Libc: 2.3.2.stable

    configured via: ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-guile=yes
--with-run=yes --with-jack --with-static-xm=yes --with-alsa=yes
--with-ladspa --with-gl 

thanks!
-p



From drkrause at mindspring.com  Sun Oct 17 09:25:58 2004
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:25:58 -0400
Subject: [CM] bringing midifiles into CM
Message-ID: <41729D16.2090509@mindspring.com>

I'm writing the following CM function, which lists the keynums, 
start-times and durations for each event in a midi file. The keynums and 
durations work fine, but what should #'mystery-value be -- or how must 
start-times otherwise be handled? All help much appreciated!

Thanks,
Drew Krause

(defun midi-in (midifile)
  (let ((mytracks (import-events midifile :meta-exclude t))
        (pits '())
        (durs '())
        (starts '()))
    (map-subobjects #'(lambda (x) (push x pits)) mytracks :key 
#'midi-keynum :type 'midi)
    (map-subobjects #'(lambda (x) (push x durs)) mytracks :key 
#'midi-duration :type 'midi)
    (map-subobjects #'(lambda (x) (push x starts)) mytracks :key 
#'mystery-value :type 'midi)
    (list (nreverse pits) (nreverse starts) (nreverse durs))))






From taube at uiuc.edu  Sun Oct 17 10:02:14 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (taube at uiuc.edu)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:02:14 -0500
Subject: [CM] bringing midifiles into CM
Message-ID: <9e45d3fa.90c8a8e7.81a0a00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu>

>durations work fine, but what should #'mystery-value be -- or how must 

(defun mystery-value (x) (object-time x))




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 18 03:54:14 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:54:14 -0700
Subject: [CM] snd: trouble loading scm files
In-Reply-To: <1097864514.2492.17.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>
References: <1097864514.2492.17.camel@linux.LUTEKGROUP.lan>
Message-ID: <4173A0D6.2020309@ccrma>

 > (load "peak-env.scm")

Try load-from-path.




From taube at uiuc.edu  Fri Oct 22 08:02:02 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:02:02 -0500
Subject: [CM] Re: problems installing cm / clm on acl6.2 / mandrake linux
In-Reply-To: <000301c4b82f$ce494ae0$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE>
References: <9e45d3fa.90c8a8e7.81a0a00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu> <000301c4b82f$ce494ae0$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE>
Message-ID: <5469CD9A-243B-11D9-B1F6-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>

> ; Loading 
> "/usr/local/src/lisp/cm-2.4.2/bin/acl_6.2_linux-i686/pkg.fasl"
> Error: In :IMPORT list, the symbol "GRAPH" not found in package
> #<The CLM package>
> [condition type: PACKAGE-ERROR]
> not loading the clm script before executing cm.lisp doesnt produce an 
> error.

there are two solutions, im not sure which is better:

1. Load clm after cm, ie load clm into the image that already contains 
cm. cm-2.4.2 lets you do this.
2. Edit the file cm/src/pkg.lisp and remove the offending symbol from 
the input list. save the file and build as you normally would.


> and one more (maybe a stupid) question: in clisp: typing "unwind" 
> brings u
> back to ..
> do you know what the equivalent command in acl is?

i think the commannd to abort error in acl is
	 :reset


> the first problem is very important (to me) at the moment, because i 
> dont
> have much time left
> for starting and finishing my project..
>
> thank you very much .
>
> and sorry for bugging u again.
>
> best regards
>
> heinrich gudenus
>



From mis at artengine.ca  Sat Oct 23 08:04:49 2004
From: mis at artengine.ca (Michal Seta)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:04:49 -0400
Subject: [CM] [snd] fft display hangs snd
Message-ID: <m23c05tqzy.fsf@ns.artengine.ca>

Hi,

Snd hangs on me when I'm trying to switch the fft display on.
Actually, switching it is ok but usually it hangs as soon as I click
anywhere within snd's window (wave display, a menu etc.).  The snd
window stays open but is completely unresponsive.

gdb gives me this:

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 16384 (LWP 5576)]
0x40690c87 in mallopt () from /lib/i686/libc.so.6

snd --help

Snd is a sound editor; see http://ccrma.stanford.edu/software/snd/.This is Snd version 7.8 of 8-Oct-04:
    Xen: 1.21, Guile: 1.6.4
    OSS 3.8.2
    Sndlib 19.6 (29-Sep-04, int24 samples, with modules)
    CLM 3.6 (11-Sep-04)
    FFTW V2.1.5 ($Id: executor.c,v 1.68 2003/03/16 23:43:46 stevenj Exp $)
    Gtk+ 2.2.4, Glib 2.2.3, Pango 1.2.5
    LADSPA 1.1, Jack: 0.98.10
    with large file support
    with gettext: en_US
    Compiled Oct 22 2004 00:32:29
    C: 3.3.2 (Mandrake Linux 10.0 3.3.2-6mdk)
    Libc: 2.3.3.stable

    configured via: ./configure --with-jack --with-alsa --with-esd=no --with-ladspa --without-ruby --with-guile --with-modules --with-editres --with-static-xm --with-gtk --with-fftw --with-gl



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Mon Oct 25 06:01:09 2004
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:01:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.1.1 and Sono V0.2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410251455230.3022@notam02.uio.no>


http://www.notam02.no/arkiv/src/




Snd-ls 0.9.1.1 changes:
 0.9.1 -> 0.9.1.1:
  -Fixed Append File edit-menu option.
  -Workaround for trouble with ladspa default settings.



Sono 0.2 changes:
  Some very few small changes to make it compile with linux again. Used some 
  code from the port for Redhat 6 in 2000 by Roger Klaveness.




Snd-ls
-------
Snd-ls is a distribution of the sound editor Snd. Its target is
people that don't know scheme very well, and don't want
to spend too much time configuring Snd. It can also serve
as a quick introduction to Snd and how it can be set up.


SONO - MAKES A PRESENTABLE SCORE FROM YOUR ELECTROACOUSTIC PIECE
----------------------------------------------------------------
This little program takes a soundfile of any length and writes a 
Postscript file with a 'score', including sonogram and oscillogram. This 
can be printed directly on your laser. Sono was written for SGI computers.


-- 



From hgudenus at fh-sbg.ac.at  Sun Oct 24 09:41:42 2004
From: hgudenus at fh-sbg.ac.at (Heinrich Gudenus)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:41:42 +0200
Subject: [CM] with-sound: mus-sound-chans error in clm-3 
References: <9e45d3fa.90c8a8e7.81a0a00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu> <000301c4b82f$ce494ae0$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE> <5469CD9A-243B-11D9-B1F6-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <000201c4b9e8$5787b800$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE>

hi,

I loaded clm-3 into acl 6.2

when making a with-sound call i get the following error-message..

(with-sound (:scaled-to .99 ...
...
Error: attempt to call `MUS-SOUND-CHANS' which is an undefined function.

the error just arises, when i use the :scaled-to argument ... 

I tried the same call with clm-2 and it worked fine

thx.

h.g.




From dgm4+ at pitt.edu  Mon Oct 25 07:29:19 2004
From: dgm4+ at pitt.edu (David Gerard Matthews)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:29:19 -0400
Subject: [CM] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.1.1 and Sono V0.2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410251455230.3022@notam02.uio.no>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410251455230.3022@notam02.uio.no>
Message-ID: <417D0DBF.4090500@pitt.edu>

Sono looks really cool.  Does it compile and run on Mac OSX?  (My Linux 
box isn't connected to a printer.)

Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen wrote:

>SONO - MAKES A PRESENTABLE SCORE FROM YOUR ELECTROACOUSTIC PIECE
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>This little program takes a soundfile of any length and writes a 
>Postscript file with a 'score', including sonogram and oscillogram. This 
>can be printed directly on your laser. Sono was written for SGI computers.
>
>
>  
>




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 25 07:02:25 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:02:25 -0700
Subject: [CM] with-sound: mus-sound-chans error in clm-3
In-Reply-To: <000201c4b9e8$5787b800$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE>
References: <9e45d3fa.90c8a8e7.81a0a00@expms6.cites.uiuc.edu> <000301c4b82f$ce494ae0$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE> <5469CD9A-243B-11D9-B1F6-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu> <000201c4b9e8$5787b800$1c00a8c0@LAPHENNE>
Message-ID: <417D0771.7090401@ccrma>

 > Error: attempt to call `MUS-SOUND-CHANS' which is an undefined function.

Please send me the value of the variable *features* -- I must have missed
a special case, or something.




From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Mon Oct 25 07:06:23 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 07:06:23 -0700
Subject: [CM] [snd] fft display hangs snd
In-Reply-To: <m23c05tqzy.fsf@ns.artengine.ca>
References: <m23c05tqzy.fsf@ns.artengine.ca>
Message-ID: <417D085F.8020801@ccrma>

 > gdb gives me this:
 > Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.

It would help if you could send me the stack trace at the point of
the segfault.  (set! (trap-segfault) #f), then hit the error under
gdb, then ask for a stack trace via "where".  Thanks!




From drkrause at mindspring.com  Mon Oct 25 16:19:36 2004
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:19:36 -0400
Subject: [CM] rewrite output in CM
Message-ID: <417D8A08.9060501@mindspring.com>

I need help with output options for the "rewrite" pattern. As an 
example, suppose I create a morse-thue sequence:

(define mt (new rewrite of '((0 -> (0 1))
                             (1 -> (1 0)))
                :initially '(1 0)))

How can I get a new complete L-to-R generation on each call, a la:

(1 0) ; {we can skip this step if we have to}
(1 0 0 1)
(1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0)
&c.

All help much appreciated!

Drew



From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Tue Oct 26 02:29:37 2004
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:29:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [CM] [ANN] Snd-ls V0.9.1.1 and Sono V0.2
In-Reply-To: <417D0DBF.4090500@pitt.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410251455230.3022@notam02.uio.no>
 <417D0DBF.4090500@pitt.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410261127490.1490@clara.localdomain>

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004, David Gerard Matthews wrote:

> Sono looks really cool.  Does it compile and run on Mac OSX?  (My Linux 
> box isn't connected to a printer.)
> 

I haven't tried, but it should compile without problems. You 
only need motif and libaudiofile.


-- 



From drkrause at mindspring.com  Tue Oct 26 19:24:03 2004
From: drkrause at mindspring.com (Drew Krause)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:24:03 -0400
Subject: [CM] rewrite output in CM
In-Reply-To: <417D8A08.9060501@mindspring.com>
References: <417D8A08.9060501@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <417F06C3.8050504@mindspring.com>

I just answered my own question, in a somewhat convoluted way... here it 
is, for anyone interested:

;; MTRULES -- morse-thue rules
(define mtrules '((0 -> (0 1))
                 (1 -> (1 0))))

;; RW-NEXT -- returns next complete generation of rewrite
;; rwthing = rules; alist = input string
;; example: (rw-next mtrules '(1 0)) = (1 0 0 1)
(defun rw-next (rwthing alist)
 (let* ((this-rw (new rewrite of (append rwthing '((rw-end -> rw-end)))
                      :initially (append alist (list 'rw-end))))
        (sink (next this-rw (+ (length alist) 1))))
   (loop for x = (next this-rw) until (eql x 'rw-end) collect x)))

;; RWGEN -- returns arbitrary generation of rewrite
;; (rwgen mtrules '(1 0) 2) =  (1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0)
(defun rwgen (rwrules initgen gennbr)
 (case gennbr
   (0 initgen)
   (1 (rw-next rwrules initgen))
   (t (rw-next rwrules (rwgen rwrules initgen (- gennbr 1))))))

Drew

Drew Krause wrote:

> I need help with output options for the "rewrite" pattern. As an 
> example, suppose I create a morse-thue sequence:
>
> (define mt (new rewrite of '((0 -> (0 1))
>                             (1 -> (1 0)))
>                :initially '(1 0)))
>
> How can I get a new complete L-to-R generation on each call, a la:
>
> (1 0) ; {we can skip this step if we have to}
> (1 0 0 1)
> (1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0)
> &c.
>
> All help much appreciated!
>
> Drew
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>



From taube at uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 27 06:05:54 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:05:54 -0500
Subject: [CM] rewrite output in CM
In-Reply-To: <417F06C3.8050504@mindspring.com>
References: <417D8A08.9060501@mindspring.com> <417F06C3.8050504@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <EF2836A8-2818-11D9-B3BA-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>

sorry for the slow response but Im very busy this week. I think I need 
to allow the period to be specified as T, but of course that means that 
periods may quickly become huge after some number of generations.  I 
also have another rewrite bug in pattern matching to fix. ill try to 
get to them this week when I check some new code into cvs.


On Oct 26, 2004, at 9:24 PM, Drew Krause wrote:

> I just answered my own question, in a somewhat convoluted way... here 
> it is, for anyone interested:
>
> ;; MTRULES -- morse-thue rules
> (define mtrules '((0 -> (0 1))
>                 (1 -> (1 0))))
>
> ;; RW-NEXT -- returns next complete generation of rewrite
> ;; rwthing = rules; alist = input string
> ;; example: (rw-next mtrules '(1 0)) = (1 0 0 1)
> (defun rw-next (rwthing alist)
> (let* ((this-rw (new rewrite of (append rwthing '((rw-end -> rw-end)))
>                      :initially (append alist (list 'rw-end))))
>        (sink (next this-rw (+ (length alist) 1))))
>   (loop for x = (next this-rw) until (eql x 'rw-end) collect x)))
>
> ;; RWGEN -- returns arbitrary generation of rewrite
> ;; (rwgen mtrules '(1 0) 2) =  (1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0)
> (defun rwgen (rwrules initgen gennbr)
> (case gennbr
>   (0 initgen)
>   (1 (rw-next rwrules initgen))
>   (t (rw-next rwrules (rwgen rwrules initgen (- gennbr 1))))))
>
> Drew
>
> Drew Krause wrote:
>
>> I need help with output options for the "rewrite" pattern. As an 
>> example, suppose I create a morse-thue sequence:
>>
>> (define mt (new rewrite of '((0 -> (0 1))
>>                             (1 -> (1 0)))
>>                :initially '(1 0)))
>>
>> How can I get a new complete L-to-R generation on each call, a la:
>>
>> (1 0) ; {we can skip this step if we have to}
>> (1 0 0 1)
>> (1 0 0 1 0 1 1 0)
>> &c.
>>
>> All help much appreciated!
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Cmdist mailing list
>> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
>> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From renueden at earthlink.net  Wed Oct 27 10:15:54 2004
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:15:54 -0700
Subject: [CM] (with-sound) error
Message-ID: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net>

Any help on this?  It worked for a bit, then something I installed must 
have messed it up.

[2]> (cm)

 /\\\          
---\\\---------
----\\\--------
----/\\\------- Common Music 2.4.2
---/--\\\------
--/----\\\-----
 /      \\\/   


CM[3]> (with-sound () (fm-violin 0 2 220 .2))

*** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
1. Break CM[4]>

Thanks,
Ken



From taube at uiuc.edu  Wed Oct 27 11:16:21 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:16:21 -0500
Subject: [CM] (with-sound) error
In-Reply-To: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net>
References: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4DD208EC-2844-11D9-B3BA-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>

including an error backtrace would help me track this down more than 
just the error message. also what lisp+version and OS you are on. im 
guessing clisp/linux but am not really sure

On Oct 27, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Ken wrote:

> Any help on this?  It worked for a bit, then something I installed 
> must have messed it up.
>
> [2]> (cm)
>
> /\\\          ---\\\---------
> ----\\\--------
> ----/\\\------- Common Music 2.4.2
> ---/--\\\------
> --/----\\\-----
> /      \\\/
>
> CM[3]> (with-sound () (fm-violin 0 2 220 .2))
>
> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
> 1. Break CM[4]>
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
> Cmdist mailing list
> Cmdist at ccrma.stanford.edu
> http://ccrma-mail.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/cmdist



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Thu Oct 28 04:48:18 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 04:48:18 -0700
Subject: [CM] (with-sound) error
In-Reply-To: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net>
References: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4180DC82.1050703@ccrma>

 > *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied

My guess is that with-sound is trying to open an output file, and
the directory is write-protected, or perhaps there is already
a test.snd that is write-protected.



From renueden at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 28 10:09:02 2004
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:09:02 -0700
Subject: [CM] (with-sound) error
In-Reply-To: <4DD208EC-2844-11D9-B3BA-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
References: <417FD7CA.1050706@earthlink.net> <4DD208EC-2844-11D9-B3BA-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <418127AE.6020905@earthlink.net>

Yes it was a path error.  For some reason when using the (cd) command, 
clm and maybe clisp gets confused.   I had to define *clm-file-name* to 
make the error go away.  Anyways, thanks to all.
Ken

Rick Taube wrote:

> including an error backtrace would help me track this down more than 
> just the error message. also what lisp+version and OS you are on. im 
> guessing clisp/linux but am not really sure
>
> On Oct 27, 2004, at 12:15 PM, Ken wrote:
>
>> Any help on this?  It worked for a bit, then something I installed 
>> must have messed it up.
>>
>> [2]> (cm)
>>
>> /\\\          ---\\\---------
>> ----\\\--------
>> ----/\\\------- Common Music 2.4.2
>> ---/--\\\------
>> --/----\\\-----
>> /      \\\/
>>
>> CM[3]> (with-sound () (fm-violin 0 2 220 .2))
>>
>> *** - UNIX error 13 (EACCES): Permission denied
>> 1. Break CM[4]>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ken
>>
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From orf at planet.nl  Fri Oct 29 04:41:50 2004
From: orf at planet.nl (Tim Orford)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:41:50 +0200
Subject: [CM] snd jack playback mode bug
Message-ID: <20041029114150.GD2729@orford.org>

hi

i am new to Snd and am just finding out how powerful it is!

however i think there is a bug with the Jack support.
If you are running jack in Playback mode, snd 7.8 will
imediately segfault in mus_audio_read_buffers().

i assume that this is easily repeatable. I can provide
any additional information if needed.



hope you find this useful...

regards
-- 
Tim Orford



From cjdarken at nps.edu  Sat Oct 30 05:00:21 2004
From: cjdarken at nps.edu (Darken, Chris USA)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:00:21 -0700
Subject: [CM] building clm for WinXP/ACL/VisualC++
Message-ID: <B15C0B7CAD76494C8AFC08B99CBCC7DD76C5F5@america.ad.nps.navy.mil>

Greetings!  I am a newbie to CLM and am trying to build it for Windows XP with Allegro CL (full version 6.2) and Visual C++ 6.  README.clm says that the first step to building on Windows is to copy config.windoze to config.h.  Problem is, I don't see config.windoze in the distribution.  I've tried to make do and have libclm.dll built and the automated building of instrument dll's working, but I'm seeing segmentation faults trying to do the most basic exercise in the manual for the fm violin, so all is not well.  I have searched the last few months of the archives of this mailing list, but I haven't found a solution that I can understand yet.  Am I overlooking something obvious?
 
Chris
 
 



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Oct 30 04:58:33 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 04:58:33 -0700
Subject: [CM] edit-list->function
Message-ID: <418381E9.2000607@ccrma>

As an experiment, I implemented the edit-list->function stuff via
a popup menu in the edit history pane.  There are still gaps in the
underlying support, but some things seem to work. (Motif-side only at
the moment).



From bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU  Sat Oct 30 05:11:51 2004
From: bil at ccrma.Stanford.EDU (Bill Schottstaedt)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 05:11:51 -0700
Subject: [CM] building clm for WinXP/ACL/VisualC++
In-Reply-To: <B15C0B7CAD76494C8AFC08B99CBCC7DD76C5F5@america.ad.nps.navy.mil>
References: <B15C0B7CAD76494C8AFC08B99CBCC7DD76C5F5@america.ad.nps.navy.mil>
Message-ID: <41838507.4020601@ccrma>

oops -- that entire portion of the readme file is out of date.
Did the build process run configure?  If so, please send me
the resultant config.h (and config.log if possible), and I'll
try to come up with something plausible.

Actually, I'd be very interested in any errors or warnings that
VisualC++ reported -- I've never heard of anyone trying to use
that version of C with CLM or Snd.



From renueden at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 30 08:57:48 2004
From: renueden at earthlink.net (Ken)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:57:48 -0700
Subject: [CM] CM>CLM conflict
Message-ID: <4183B9FC.8040502@earthlink.net>

Compiling Cm-2.4.2 & Clm-3 in Linux Mandrake 10, CmuCL, I get the 
following conflict.  Any hints?  Thanks,
Ken

Error in function USE-PACKAGE:
   Use'ing package CLM results in name conflicts for these symbols:
(CM::PLAY)
   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]

Restarts:
  0: [CONTINUE] Unintern the conflicting symbols in the CM package.
  1: [CONTINUE] Return NIL from load of "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp".
  2: [CONTINUE] Return NIL from load of "/lisp/muzac2.lisp".
  3: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.
  4: [ABORT] Return to Top-Level.

Backtrace:
  0: (USE-PACKAGE :CLM #<The CM package, 2903/3150 internal, 0/2 external>)
  1: (LISP::SLOLOAD #<Stream for file "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp">)
  2: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" 
#p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR :SOURCE)
  3: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" 
#p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR NIL)
  4: (LOAD "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :VERBOSE NIL :PRINT ...)
  5: (LISP::SLOLOAD #<Stream for file "/lisp/muzac2.lisp">)
  6: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" 
:ERROR :SOURCE)
  7: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" 
:ERROR NIL)
  8: (LOAD "/lisp/muzac2.lisp" :VERBOSE NIL :PRINT ...)
  9: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(load \"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
" T)
  10: ("DEFSLIMEFUN LISTENER-EVAL")
  11: (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(load \"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
")
  12: (SWANK::EVAL-FOR-EMACS (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(load 
\"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
") "COMMON-LISP-USER" 2)
  13: ("DEFUN HANDLE-REQUEST")
  14: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {585DCBFD}> 
#<Function "DEFUN HANDLE-REQUEST" {58493A31}>)
  15: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {585DCBFD}>)
  16: (SWANK::PROCESS-AVAILABLE-INPUT #<Stream for descriptor 6> 
#<Closure Over Function "DEFUN INSTALL-SIGIO-HANDLER" {58652F41}>)
  17: ((FLET SWANK::HANDLER SWANK::INSTALL-SIGIO-HANDLER))
  18: (SWANK-BACKEND::SIGIO-HANDLER #<#1=unused-arg> #<#1#> #<#1#>)
  19: ("call_into_lisp+#x8C [#x80546CC] /usr/bin/lisp")
  20: ("funcall3+#x29 [#x80544DC] /usr/bin/lisp")
  21: ("interrupt_handle_now+#xEE [#x80501CF] /usr/bin/lisp")
  22: ("NIL+#x80505EF [#x80505EF] /usr/bin/lisp")
  23: ("NIL+#x4007B718 [#x4007B718] /lib/tls/libc.so.6")
  24: (SYSTEM:WAIT-UNTIL-FD-USABLE 0 :INPUT NIL)
  25: (LISP::DO-INPUT #<Stream for Standard Input>)
  26: (LISP::INPUT-CHARACTER #<Stream for Standard Input> NIL (LISP::*EOF*))
  27: (LISP::SYNONYM-IN #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDIN*> NIL 
(LISP::*EOF*))
  28: (LISP::TWO-WAY-IN #<Two-Way Stream, Input = #<Synonym Stream to 
SYSTEM:*STDIN*>, Output = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDOUT*>> NIL 
(LISP::*EOF*))
  29: (LISP::SYNONYM-IN #<Synonym Stream to 
SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (LISP::*EOF*))
  30: (READ-CHAR #<Synonym Stream to SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> 
NIL (LISP::*EOF*) NIL)
  31: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) T)
  32: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) NIL)
  33: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL 4 #<Synonym Stream to 
SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) ...)[:EXTERNAL]
  34: (LISP::READ-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) NIL)
  35: (READ #<Synonym Stream to SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL 
(:EOF) NIL)
  36: (LISP::%TOP-LEVEL)
  37: ((LABELS LISP::RESTART-LISP SAVE-LISP))



From cjdarken at nps.edu  Sun Oct 31 05:44:31 2004
From: cjdarken at nps.edu (Darken, Chris USA)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 05:44:31 -0800
Subject: [CM] building clm for WinXP/ACL/VisualC++
Message-ID: <B15C0B7CAD76494C8AFC08B99CBCC7DD76C5F6@america.ad.nps.navy.mil>

configure does not run as invoked by all.lisp.  Error appended below.    
 
CL-USER(2): :ld all
; Loading C:\aa\sandbox\clm-3\all.lisp
;   Loading C:\aa\sandbox\clm-3\acl.cl
;   running cd C:\aa\sandbox\clm-3\ && ./configure --quiet --with-doubles --with-float-samples
Error: "starting shell command" resulted in error
       "No such file or directory"
  [condition type: SYSCALL-ERROR]
Restart actions (select using :continue):
 0: retry the load of all
 1: skip loading all
 2: recompile C:\aa\sandbox\clm-3\all.lisp
 3: Abort entirely from this process.
[1] CL-USER(3): :zo
Evaluation stack:
   (ERROR EXCL::SYSCALL-ERROR :ERRNO ...)
 ->(RUN-SHELL-COMMAND
      "cd C:\\aa\\sandbox\\clm-3\\ && ./configure --quiet --with-doubles --with-float-samples"
      :WAIT ...)
   (EVAL (IF RECONFIGURE # ...))
   (LOAD "all")
   (TPL:TOP-LEVEL-READ-EVAL-PRINT-LOOP)
   (TPL:START-INTERACTIVE-TOP-LEVEL
      #<TERMINAL-SIMPLE-STREAM [initial terminal io] fd 0/1 @
        #x200a038a>
      #<Function TOP-LEVEL-READ-EVAL-PRINT-LOOP> ...)
 
 



From taube at uiuc.edu  Sun Oct 31 08:05:51 2004
From: taube at uiuc.edu (Rick Taube)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:05:51 -0600
Subject: [CM] CM>CLM conflict
In-Reply-To: <4183B9FC.8040502@earthlink.net>
References: <4183B9FC.8040502@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BC532AF6-2B56-11D9-9B90-000A95674CE4@uiuc.edu>

There is a symbol confilct between cm:play and clm:play. The solution 
is to add the keyword :PLAY to the list of shadowed symbols in cm's 
defpackage in pkg.lisp. once youve saved your edits use bin/cm.sh to 
recompile the outdated file.


I havent tried building cm with clm-3 ( im still using clm-2) but ill 
try to this in the next week or so.



On Oct 30, 2004, at 10:57 AM, Ken wrote:

> Compiling Cm-2.4.2 & Clm-3 in Linux Mandrake 10, CmuCL, I get the 
> following conflict.  Any hints?  Thanks,
> Ken
>
> Error in function USE-PACKAGE:
>   Use'ing package CLM results in name conflicts for these symbols:
> (CM::PLAY)
>   [Condition of type SIMPLE-ERROR]
>
> Restarts:
>  0: [CONTINUE] Unintern the conflicting symbols in the CM package.
>  1: [CONTINUE] Return NIL from load of "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp".
>  2: [CONTINUE] Return NIL from load of "/lisp/muzac2.lisp".
>  3: [ABORT] Abort handling SLIME request.
>  4: [ABORT] Return to Top-Level.
>
> Backtrace:
>  0: (USE-PACKAGE :CLM #<The CM package, 2903/3150 internal, 0/2 
> external>)
>  1: (LISP::SLOLOAD #<Stream for file "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp">)
>  2: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" 
> #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR :SOURCE)
>  3: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" 
> #p"/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :ERROR NIL)
>  4: (LOAD "/lisp/clm-3/all.lisp" :VERBOSE NIL :PRINT ...)
>  5: (LISP::SLOLOAD #<Stream for file "/lisp/muzac2.lisp">)
>  6: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" 
> :ERROR :SOURCE)
>  7: (LISP::INTERNAL-LOAD #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" #p"/lisp/muzac2.lisp" 
> :ERROR NIL)
>  8: (LOAD "/lisp/muzac2.lisp" :VERBOSE NIL :PRINT ...)
>  9: (SWANK::EVAL-REGION "(load \"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
> " T)
>  10: ("DEFSLIMEFUN LISTENER-EVAL")
>  11: (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(load \"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
> ")
>  12: (SWANK::EVAL-FOR-EMACS (SWANK:LISTENER-EVAL "(load 
> \"/lisp/muzac2.lisp\")
> ") "COMMON-LISP-USER" 2)
>  13: ("DEFUN HANDLE-REQUEST")
>  14: (SWANK::CALL-WITH-REDIRECTED-IO #<SWANK::CONNECTION {585DCBFD}> 
> #<Function "DEFUN HANDLE-REQUEST" {58493A31}>)
>  15: (SWANK::HANDLE-REQUEST #<SWANK::CONNECTION {585DCBFD}>)
>  16: (SWANK::PROCESS-AVAILABLE-INPUT #<Stream for descriptor 6> 
> #<Closure Over Function "DEFUN INSTALL-SIGIO-HANDLER" {58652F41}>)
>  17: ((FLET SWANK::HANDLER SWANK::INSTALL-SIGIO-HANDLER))
>  18: (SWANK-BACKEND::SIGIO-HANDLER #<#1=unused-arg> #<#1#> #<#1#>)
>  19: ("call_into_lisp+#x8C [#x80546CC] /usr/bin/lisp")
>  20: ("funcall3+#x29 [#x80544DC] /usr/bin/lisp")
>  21: ("interrupt_handle_now+#xEE [#x80501CF] /usr/bin/lisp")
>  22: ("NIL+#x80505EF [#x80505EF] /usr/bin/lisp")
>  23: ("NIL+#x4007B718 [#x4007B718] /lib/tls/libc.so.6")
>  24: (SYSTEM:WAIT-UNTIL-FD-USABLE 0 :INPUT NIL)
>  25: (LISP::DO-INPUT #<Stream for Standard Input>)
>  26: (LISP::INPUT-CHARACTER #<Stream for Standard Input> NIL 
> (LISP::*EOF*))
>  27: (LISP::SYNONYM-IN #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDIN*> NIL 
> (LISP::*EOF*))
>  28: (LISP::TWO-WAY-IN #<Two-Way Stream, Input = #<Synonym Stream to 
> SYSTEM:*STDIN*>, Output = #<Synonym Stream to SYSTEM:*STDOUT*>> NIL 
> (LISP::*EOF*))
>  29: (LISP::SYNONYM-IN #<Synonym Stream to 
> SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (LISP::*EOF*))
>  30: (READ-CHAR #<Synonym Stream to SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> 
> NIL (LISP::*EOF*) NIL)
>  31: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
> SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) T)
>  32: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
> SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) NIL)
>  33: (LISP::READ-PRESERVING-WHITESPACE-INTERNAL 4 #<Synonym Stream to 
> SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) ...)[:EXTERNAL]
>  34: (LISP::READ-INTERNAL #<Synonym Stream to 
> SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL (:EOF) NIL)
>  35: (READ #<Synonym Stream to SWANK::*CURRENT-STANDARD-INPUT*> NIL 
> (:EOF) NIL)
>  36: (LISP::%TOP-LEVEL)
>  37: ((LABELS LISP::RESTART-LISP SAVE-LISP))
>
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From k.s.matheussen at notam02.no  Sun Oct 31 09:16:15 2004
From: k.s.matheussen at notam02.no (Kjetil Svalastog Matheussen)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 18:16:15 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [CM] Re: snd jack playback mode bug
In-Reply-To: <20041029190002.16056.13174.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
References: <20041029190002.16056.13174.Mailman@cm-mail.stanford.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410311814230.5555@notam02.uio.no>

Tim Orford:
> 
> hi
> 
> i am new to Snd and am just finding out how powerful it is!
> 
> however i think there is a bug with the Jack support.
> If you are running jack in Playback mode, snd 7.8 will
> imediately segfault in mus_audio_read_buffers().
> 
> i assume that this is easily repeatable. I can provide
> any additional information if needed.
> 


Yes, please provide some code that use mus_audio_read_buffers.
I wrote the jack-code, but have never used mus_audio_read_buffers.


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